The Truth About Confidence with TEDx Speaker Nina Perez | RR334
What if confidence wasn’t something you had to fake, but something you could feel?
In this episode, I reconnect with the lovely and wise Nina Perez; transformation coach, TEDx speaker, and someone I’ve had the pleasure of knowing for years. We talk about the real roots of confidence, and why the old “fake it till you make it” advice can actually backfire. Nina shares her journey from being a self-described shy girl to stepping into the spotlight, not by pretending to be someone else, but by learning to feel confident from the inside out.
We also explore how small, everyday habits (Nina calls them “micro-habits”) help you show up as your most grounded, magnetic self, whether you are leading a team, speaking to an audience, or just trying to feel good in your own skin. I especially loved her perspective on using body language and storytelling to create genuine connection, and how she helps clients balance both warmth and authority.
This is a conversation full of “aha” moments, some great stories, and practical wisdom for anyone who wants to lead with presence, not performance.
What you’ll hear in this episode:
- Why confidence is something you practice, not perform
- The real reason “fake it till you make it” doesn’t work, and what to do instead
- What micro-habits can do for your daily energy and presence
- How storytelling builds trust faster than facts ever will
- Why everyone has charisma. It’s just about finding your unique flavor
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Transcript
What if the secret to leadership, connection
Janice Porter:and lasting influence wasn't in your words, but in your
Janice Porter:presence? Well, today's guest on relationships rule, Nina Perez
Janice Porter:is a transformation coach, a TEDx speaker and best selling
Janice Porter:author who teaches high achieving professionals how to
Janice Porter:embody confidence, not just perform it. With over 40 years
Janice Porter:of dance experience and 25 years of teaching, Nina blends
Janice Porter:movement mindset and practical connection skills to help people
Janice Porter:show up as their most magnetic selves. And in this episode,
Janice Porter:we're going to look at how embodied confidence changes, how
Janice Porter:you lead, connect and are remembered in business and in
Janice Porter:life. And by the way, welcome Lena, Nina. And I was just
Janice Porter:looking at these numbers and like you still are only like a
Janice Porter:baby. So I mean 40 years of dance and 25 years of teaching,
Janice Porter:so a lot under your belt. And welcome, welcome to the show.
Nina Perez:No thank you for having me. I'm so excited to be
Nina Perez:here. Yes, I am 45 so I started very young in my dance career,
Nina Perez:and I started teaching in my 20s. That's how the numbers add
Nina Perez:up quickly
Janice Porter:they do, don't they, but you're a gem in
Janice Porter:everything that you do, and I'm honored to have you on the show.
Janice Porter:It's been a long time since we first met, and you are an
Janice Porter:example, actually, for me, of of connection, staying connected. I
Janice Porter:mean, we've gone in and out, we've woven in and out of each
Janice Porter:other's lives over the years. You know, messaging here and
Janice Porter:checking in there, but the most recent one, when you came to me
Janice Porter:for some LinkedIn training. We've had a lot of time lately
Janice Porter:together, so I love that. And yeah, I
Nina Perez:remember when I first met you, and then I do, I
Nina Perez:do. I remember, it was at a BNI, and, you know, there's a lot of
Nina Perez:people, so you meet like, 3040, people, but you send me a card.
Nina Perez:And was very memorable. I remember thinking like, who does
Nina Perez:that anymore? Like, that's such a rare thing nowadays. And from
Nina Perez:that moment, I knew, like, Okay, you're different. She's special,
Nina Perez:and she believes in the kind of values that I do, which is, you
Nina Perez:know, going a little bit extra, above and beyond when you're
Nina Perez:connecting with someone, getting to know them getting to know
Nina Perez:what's important, and then adding that personal touch, like
Nina Perez:a card or a voice message or anything, that's just where you
Nina Perez:know people care, where you know that they did that extra little
Nina Perez:bit of, you know, personal touch always impresses me, and that's
Nina Perez:what I teach my clients, right? You want to do with the little
Nina Perez:thing. Like, you know how they say the last the last mile is
Nina Perez:never crowded or something like that. Oh yeah,
Janice Porter:there's no something on the on the last
Janice Porter:mile. But before you get into that, thank you. And I didn't
Janice Porter:pay Nina to say any of that, so, just so you know that on the
Janice Porter:record, that was very kind of you. But yeah, there's no, yeah,
Janice Porter:there's, it's not busy on the last mile or something like
Janice Porter:that. It's not crowded. Yeah, it's not crowded, yeah. So
Janice Porter:speaking of the last extra
Nina Perez:the extra mile is never crowded. That's right,
Janice Porter:something like that. Okay, so, so that's a good
Janice Porter:place to start, because my first question has to do with your
Janice Porter:journey and how you have have stated that you're a recovering
Janice Porter:shy girl, and now, of course, you're a connection coach, and
Janice Porter:that's a pretty powerful jump. So what were the turning points
Janice Porter:for you?
Nina Perez:Oh my gosh, I have so many stories. And today I was
Nina Perez:actually remembering a story because I was preparing for a
Nina Perez:post I was going to make around, and you'll see this in the
Nina Perez:future, around having lack of confidence when you're already
Nina Perez:achieving a lot of great things. So I work with a lot of clients
Nina Perez:that are amazing, and they're, they're they're confident in
Nina Perez:certain areas, but when it comes to going to the next level, and
Nina Perez:you know you're gonna go, instead of speaking to 100
Nina Perez:people, now, you want to speak to 1000 people, or you want to
Nina Perez:pitch in a different arena, or you want to, you know, grow and
Nina Perez:scale your business, or whatever it is the next level, we always
Nina Perez:get these ideas in our heads that maybe we're not ready, or
Nina Perez:we're not good enough, or imposter syndrome. And I was in
Nina Perez:the shower actually remembering a story of my dance days when I
Nina Perez:was in Las Vegas for a world salsa championship, and I was
Nina Perez:actually watching it. I wasn't performing or competing this
Nina Perez:time, and I remember that I was in the crowd in the dance
Nina Perez:community there. There was like a dance after the competition,
Nina Perez:and the world champion was there, and we locked eyes, and I
Nina Perez:smiled, and I walked up to him, and I had courage enough to say,
Nina Perez:like, Can I have a dance with you? And he was like, Yes, after
Nina Perez:this lady I'm dancing with, I can I can find you right after,
Nina Perez:and we'll dance. And I was like, great. And then I went and I hid
Nina Perez:in the bleachers. That's exactly what I did. And I watched him
Nina Perez:dance with that beautiful woman. And then I saw. Him looking
Nina Perez:around, and I knew he was looking for me, and I was kind
Nina Perez:of sitting up high. You couldn't really see me unless you looked
Nina Perez:up. And he wasn't. And so he looked around, and I saw him go
Nina Perez:back and forth, and I froze, and I stayed sitting in the
Nina Perez:bleachers watching, knowing that I let that opportunity go by,
Nina Perez:knowing that I was like, stuck, because I was thinking, what if
Nina Perez:I mess up, you know, he's the world champion. What if, you
Nina Perez:know, he doesn't enjoy the dance, and what is he gonna
Nina Perez:think of me? And this is when I was already an, you know, a
Nina Perez:dancer, you know, I was already like, a big deal in my city, you
Nina Perez:know, and so on. And it just made me think about this
Nina Perez:morning, about how we sometimes stop ourselves, that voice in
Nina Perez:our heads stop us. And for me, it was that shy girl that that
Nina Perez:lack of confidence, and let me just share another story,
Nina Perez:because within the same year, I actually LA
Janice Porter:for a second before you'd share that other
Janice Porter:story, I have to just step in, because if he had said yes
Janice Porter:immediately, and you danced right then, because he wasn't
Janice Porter:committed to the other person. None of
Nina Perez:that would have happened. Perhaps, perhaps,
Nina Perez:yeah, yeah, it would have no, I think yeah, you're right. I
Nina Perez:think I would have danced if he had said yes right there. Yeah,
Nina Perez:I would have probably been shaking in my boots. But you
Nina Perez:didn't
Janice Porter:have time to second doubt yourself, second
Janice Porter:guess yourself, right? So, yeah, I think that's a huge piece
Janice Porter:there. And you you sabotaged yourself, for sure. So now I
Janice Porter:want
Nina Perez:to 100% I lost that opportunity because of shyness,
Nina Perez:lack of confidence. But I want to share I was in LA, like not
Nina Perez:months later, and I went salsa dancing, and this gentleman
Nina Perez:asked me to dance. And, you know, everybody seems good in
Nina Perez:LA, I have no idea who's who, but at the end of the dance, and
Nina Perez:we had an amazing dance, he did things that I was like, thank
Nina Perez:God. I can relax and surrender to following and able to do
Nina Perez:complicated moves that I've never done before, because he
Nina Perez:was a good lead. He was amazing. And at the end he he goes to me,
Nina Perez:if you're ever Where are you from? I'm like Vancouver,
Nina Perez:because he knew you're not from Vancouver. He goes, if you ever
Nina Perez:move to LA, I want you to call me. I want to dance with you.
Nina Perez:And he gave me his card, and he was a world champion from the
Nina Perez:Vegas competitions that I went. And it's so funny. So I didn't
Nina Perez:know who he was, and I danced with him, no problem. And you
Nina Perez:know, I think back to where I said, where I hid back with the
Nina Perez:other world champion. And it was my head, it was my inner
Nina Perez:thoughts that stopped me. The truth was, I was good enough to
Nina Perez:dance with all of them, right? I mean, right, I got the proof
Nina Perez:when I danced with the other gentleman. But because I didn't
Nina Perez:know who he was, I was, you know, no problem and but it's us
Nina Perez:who kind of believe our own lies. Yes, oh yeah, for sure,
Nina Perez:amazing. I always think about the opportunity that could have.
Nina Perez:What could have happened? You know, at the worst, we would
Nina Perez:have had a dance, we would have maybe I would have, maybe
Nina Perez:screwed up a little bit or not. I would, we would have been
Nina Perez:friends. But at the worst, we would have had a great dance and
Nina Perez:a great memory. But at the best, it could have been something for
Nina Perez:my career. It could have been, who knows what the
Janice Porter:right, but it wasn't your time. Then it wasn't
Janice Porter:right. Yeah, it was. It was meant to teach you that for the
Janice Porter:next time, obviously. I
Nina Perez:mean, those are the stories that help me now in my
Nina Perez:career, because now I know if I was my confident self talking to
Nina Perez:my younger self, I said, go for it, you know, don't worry. Do
Nina Perez:it. Do it messy, and go have that memory. Go have that
Nina Perez:experience, and all those stories. And I have many that
Nina Perez:have taught me how important it is to nurture your confidence,
Nina Perez:embody your confidence, build it day to day, so that when the
Nina Perez:opportunity comes, you don't let it slip away. You know,
Janice Porter:so, how? So, how do we? How do you teach people
Janice Porter:to embody their confidence?
Nina Perez:Oh, I love this question. So we hear a lot in
Nina Perez:the world about self care and you need to nurture and your
Nina Perez:self love and confidence in your confidence. And what I feel like
Nina Perez:it leads people to do is to try to carve out some time and do
Nina Perez:self care. Maybe you want to meditate, maybe you want to
Nina Perez:spend some time journaling and so on, and that is very
Nina Perez:important. I'm not knocking that. However, I feel like
Nina Perez:embodiment is when you take that big practice that maybe you
Nina Perez:spend 20 minutes a day, or an hour a day meditating, or
Nina Perez:whatever it is that helps you feel full and it helps you feel
Nina Perez:confident in yourself. But you need to divide it into micro
Nina Perez:habits during the day, where it reminds you about that self care
Nina Perez:moment, or it helps you, in a micro way, bring that into your
Nina Perez:moment to moment in everyday life, and that's where I find
Nina Perez:people don't have enough training or skills, or they're
Nina Perez:not finding their lives around it, and so they just do the self
Nina Perez:care like in the morning,
Janice Porter:but it's segregated. It's off by itself,
Janice Porter:okay? And they slip
Nina Perez:back into their old ways, or they forget, or like,
Nina Perez:by the end of the day, you lose the willpower of the thing you
Nina Perez:said. And, yeah. And so so it's not within your life. It's not
Nina Perez:peppered into your movements, moment to moment. And so then
Nina Perez:people are not embodying the things that they would like to
Nina Perez:feel all the time. They're just feeling it at a prescribed time.
Nina Perez:And so I teach clients how to make that habit of yes, you need
Nina Perez:to have a moment where you practice this maybe gratitude
Nina Perez:journal, or whatever it is, is going to help you feel confident
Nina Perez:and full. But then how do you bring that in the 24 hours,
Nina Perez:after, like, throughout, throughout your whole day, in
Nina Perez:micro ways, so that it can keep nurturing, keep filling your cup
Nina Perez:and you are feeling amazing throughout the day, or even when
Nina Perez:you're having a challenge, or even when you're like, feeling
Nina Perez:lower or something, and you're like, Okay, this is what I need
Nina Perez:to do. I need to do an embodiment practice right now.
Nina Perez:It has to take less than a minute and get you into that
Nina Perez:reminder of who you really are and your practices.
Janice Porter:So that's really big. That's a really big point.
Janice Porter:Yeah, that's a really big point. And it made me think of
Janice Porter:something, and I don't know if it's connected or not, but it's,
Janice Porter:I guess I was in a personal development kind of course,
Janice Porter:somewhere downtown one day, many, many, many years ago. And
Janice Porter:one of the things that, one of the exercises that we had to do
Janice Porter:was not in the day, but go home and do this like and come back
Janice Porter:to the next class kind of thing was to go into a department
Janice Porter:store or big store and have like, two different shoes on or
Janice Porter:something. And like, you know it, because you know you're all
Janice Porter:about image and all about looks. And you go outside and you
Janice Porter:wearing either a slipper in a boot or whatever. And I did it.
Janice Porter:Oh, and, of course, nobody cares. Nobody paid attention.
Janice Porter:Nobody even knew, so what, right? But we get so it was, it
Janice Porter:was a person. I think it was like a image consulting kind of
Janice Porter:thing. I love it, yeah. And so nobody even paid attention. That
Janice Porter:was a huge piece for me, you know, to say, you know, I mean,
Janice Porter:I'm a detail oriented person, I noticed those things
Nina Perez:I would have noticed, but, yeah, but it's not
Nina Perez:like majority is noticing. People aren't looking
Janice Porter:either. You know, they're in their fault nowadays.
Janice Porter:They're just looking at their phones. But this was way back a
Janice Porter:long time ago. But anyway, so how did, how would you like give
Janice Porter:me an example of someone you're coaching and they're not
Janice Porter:confident yet, and you're talking about this, and you're
Janice Porter:saying, like, this is the type of micro lesson I want you to go
Janice Porter:I want you to practice all this week.
Nina Perez:I love it. I love it. I have one client, she was
Nina Perez:moving transitions. She was transitioning careers. She
Nina Perez:wanted to get out of the industry she was in, and she
Nina Perez:wanted to try something completely different. And so we
Nina Perez:started working on first getting clear, like, what is that new
Nina Perez:career that you want? And at the time, because she didn't know,
Nina Perez:she felt really indecisive. And so then that totally affected
Nina Perez:her confidence, and in choosing what she wanted, but also in
Nina Perez:deciding which, which path to go. And you know, it was, it was
Nina Perez:a very tough moment for her. We finally went through creating a
Nina Perez:vision, what do you want? What would be the ideal? But then one
Nina Perez:of the things that came up during our sessions was that she
Nina Perez:really wanted to feel like, I need to find my purpose. She
Nina Perez:would say, right? And I gave her this idea that, yes, you can
Nina Perez:have a purpose, but then you can live on purpose. You can,
Nina Perez:throughout the day, have multiple purposes. You know,
Nina Perez:sometimes it might be for you to be a present mother, or it might
Nina Perez:be or a grandmother, right? Or it might be that you want to be
Nina Perez:really a healthy cook for yourself during the day. And
Nina Perez:then, you know, you you go and you're a business person, you're
Nina Perez:a speaker, maybe that you want to have amazing presence when
Nina Perez:you're speaking, connecting to the audience, whatever it is,
Nina Perez:there's more than one purpose. It might be all under
Nina Perez:connection, for example, that's my mission. But there's
Nina Perez:different parts of the day where I'm following different
Nina Perez:purposes, and I like to think of that, that I am living on
Nina Perez:purpose. And so I gave her those ideas, and she thought about
Nina Perez:them a lot. And so one of the habits, the bigger habits, was
Nina Perez:for her to envision what she wanted and to think about all
Nina Perez:the areas of her life. So we do that. This is very well known.
Nina Perez:You know, in our world of coaching, you need to have a
Nina Perez:vision. People carve it out. What I find that is one of the
Nina Perez:mistakes people make is that they do that once a year, right?
Nina Perez:Or, like, only New Year's resolutions, right? They're not
Nina Perez:doing it at best, maybe once a quarter. But nobody looks at
Nina Perez:that. You know, after they've done it. It's just what I
Nina Perez:noticed, that people don't make, like, a living document anyway.
Nina Perez:So we did that, the visioning, and I had her also think about,
Nina Perez:how can she live? Like, look at the purpose that she has, the
Nina Perez:vision. How can she live it in micro ways during the different
Nina Perez:segments of her day? So she's working at her job, then she has
Nina Perez:a partner in life, then she has a dog, then she has a community,
Nina Perez:family, friendships. And we looked at a micro habit. So for
Nina Perez:her, she was like, I want to embody this type of. Energy when
Nina Perez:I'm with my partner. And so she wrote it down, and then she was
Nina Perez:like, I want to embody this other type of energy when I'm
Nina Perez:with my co workers. I want to really be a good listener. Okay,
Nina Perez:great with her partner. She wanted to be present. Okay, with
Nina Perez:her dog, she wanted to really enjoy her time outdoors and so
Nina Perez:on. So the micro habit was for her to remember to do that, to
Nina Perez:tune into the different feelings. But she used a
Nina Perez:doorway. So anytime she would walk through the doorway of
Nina Perez:whatever direction she was going into her house, she would
Nina Perez:remember, oh, I want to embody being a present partner. And so
Nina Perez:she would walk home, walk into the doorway, through the home,
Nina Perez:and she would embody that vision of hers, which was the big
Nina Perez:vision, but in a microwave when she would get in the car, that
Nina Perez:was another doorway that she would get into and she would get
Nina Perez:herself ready for work when she would get out the door to walk
Nina Perez:the dog, again, the doorway was the trigger. That's good. It was
Nina Perez:so good. You know, she changed completely. We had six months
Nina Perez:working together, but it was a whole different person, because
Nina Perez:she was enlivened by living on purpose. You know, in her
Nina Perez:everyday, moment to moment, and it's so inspiring. You can even
Nina Perez:see, like when I have her on Zoom, her first session to her
Nina Perez:last session, her skin is even different, like she just looks
Nina Perez:like she's glowing because she's so happy living on purpose. And
Nina Perez:you know, life is not perfect. Her life. She hadn't figured out
Nina Perez:the career yet and all this stuff, but she was living in
Nina Perez:this place of feeling empowered and confident. So that's what I
Nina Perez:love to do.
Janice Porter:Oh yeah, that's beautiful. I love that. So we
Janice Porter:have to talk though about how dance comes into this, because
Janice Porter:that's been your life for many, many years, 40 years you said of
Janice Porter:dance. And so how does movement, like dance, help unlock that
Janice Porter:confidence and presence when you're in a professional career,
Janice Porter:let's say in a professional space. I mean, I know, for me, I
Janice Porter:love dancing, and I I haven't been able to dance for a long
Janice Porter:time because my knees are bad. I'm getting old, but it breaks
Janice Porter:my heart. So now I just love watching Dancing. But, yeah,
Janice Porter:but, but I for many years, dancing was big for me, not
Janice Porter:professional dancing, just casual, you know, for personal
Janice Porter:fun dancing. But for you, it's been a lot, a big part of your
Janice Porter:life and your career. So how do you work that in? Or do you with
Janice Porter:your, oh,
Nina Perez:100% Well, communication, as we know, is 7%
Nina Perez:verbal and 93% nonverbal. So we're talking, there's a lot of
Nina Perez:body language here. And when I used to teach dance, I used to
Nina Perez:say, if you can walk, you can dance. But really, when we're
Nina Perez:teaching out of dance, I say, like walking is like dancing.
Nina Perez:It's a movement through the world. And so how you move
Nina Perez:through the world matters, and people will make conclusions
Nina Perez:about you. They will think things about you and even add
Nina Perez:things that you may have nothing to do with you because of how
Nina Perez:you walk and how you how you express, how you're using your
Nina Perez:body language. And so not I don't teach people how to dance
Nina Perez:all the time, but a lot of my practices are about getting into
Nina Perez:your body and actually understanding your body, where,
Nina Perez:how are you currently moving? What are you doing right now
Nina Perez:that may be sending signals that are repelling people or
Nina Perez:attracting people. So kind of getting to know your body,
Nina Perez:getting into the body. And also, the thing that I use my dance
Nina Perez:background, and helping people is understanding that you cannot
Nina Perez:force the body so far out of the comfort zone and that and that
Nina Perez:will not benefit you. What's going to happen is people will
Nina Perez:come back. They'll slingshot back. And so let's say you push
Nina Perez:yourself to go out and network every day for a month, or every
Nina Perez:you know you do. You push yourself out of your comfort
Nina Perez:zone so much, your body actually is getting a little bit
Nina Perez:traumatized every time, because you may not want to do that, and
Nina Perez:so you're forcing yourself. And so you're telling your brain, I
Nina Perez:don't like this, but I'm doing this, and your brain is
Nina Perez:recording this resistance, and then next time it's increasing
Nina Perez:it, and next time is increasing it. So I help people get their
Nina Perez:bodies feeling safe, feeling and working with their bodies as
Nina Perez:they're going out to connect with the world, like you need to
Nina Perez:go and connect, but you don't want to do it in a way that it's
Nina Perez:so uncomfortable, so far out of your comfort zone, that your
Nina Perez:body's like, let's record this one as a negative experience,
Nina Perez:you know. And so how do you use that to your advantage? How to
Nina Perez:help your brain and your body work with you. And so my dance
Nina Perez:background has taught me a lot of getting into the body, how to
Nina Perez:calm when you're nervous, right? How to calm your nervous system
Nina Perez:down, but also, like how to tap into the energies that you do
Nina Perez:want to exude when I was in dance, I could be sometimes very
Nina Perez:playful, or I could be passionate, or I could be
Nina Perez:demure, or I could be melancholic. When I would dance
Nina Perez:tango like I could tune into different energies, different
Nina Perez:identities, different ideas and well, did you think
Janice Porter:that of did you think of that as acting, or is
Janice Porter:it different? Does it.
Nina Perez:Oh, I actually thought of that as feeling
Nina Perez:different parts of myself, okay, you know? Because actually, if
Nina Perez:you look at good acting, you don't think they're acting, you
Nina Perez:know that, right? You know, tapping into some deep sorrow,
Nina Perez:that's true, and using it, or else it would look fake, right?
Nina Perez:And so I always say, Don't fake it till you make it. You want to
Nina Perez:feel it till you become it. So that's where my dance background
Nina Perez:helps me so much. I teach people how to feel these things really
Nina Perez:naturally in your body, and then use that to move through your
Nina Perez:world in this different feeling. Okay, people notice,
Janice Porter:well, of course they do. Of course they do. I'm
Janice Porter:thinking about like a new partnership, dance partnership,
Janice Porter:business partnership, doesn't really matter, except that I
Janice Porter:know you notice it very overtly when it's I'm thinking of
Janice Porter:Dancing with the Stars right now. So when they first start
Janice Porter:their their connection with each other, they have to learn to get
Janice Porter:that chemistry. And some of them have it, and some of them don't
Janice Porter:with their partner, right? And and so that's why I say
Janice Porter:sometimes, like the the actors or the professional people who
Janice Porter:are used to being in public, whether they're dancers or
Janice Porter:something else, but they're used to dealing with the public, they
Janice Porter:seem to have that such much more at ease than those who don't.
Janice Porter:And yet, if you were like to get that chemistry, it's not acting
Janice Porter:right. It's like you said, it's more it has to come from within.
Janice Porter:But is it, I don't know, like, I'm like, oh, you know, is this
Janice Porter:real? You know?
Nina Perez:I think, I think we always feel a certain vibe, even
Nina Perez:if we can't name it and so. So part of my work, a lot of
Nina Perez:people, you know, they confuse this whole idea of fake it till
Nina Perez:you make it and so on. I don't agree with that. I feel it till
Nina Perez:you become it. But part of my work, I noticed with my clients,
Nina Perez:that when they learn how to feel safe and relax, they bring out
Nina Perez:who they naturally are. And so you are charismatic at home with
Nina Perez:your friends or, like with your with the people that you feel
Nina Perez:comfortable with. And so my job is to help you do that with
Nina Perez:strangers, too, when you're networking or when you're out,
Nina Perez:and really be able to learn how to share yourself so that others
Nina Perez:can feel your heart and and connect with you in that way
Nina Perez:when, you feel somebody's hard, somebody's, you know, values,
Nina Perez:you you can't help but connect if you, if you share those
Nina Perez:values,
Janice Porter:right? I love that. I love those values. You
Janice Porter:can't Yes, yeah, and I think that. So what you're doing
Janice Porter:really is, is very rewarding when it
Nina Perez:works, yeah, yeah, totally. It doesn't work. It's
Nina Perez:data, it's data. And you need a tool, you need to learn a skill,
Nina Perez:you need to figure it out. And it's all very figure outable, as
Nina Perez:says, yeah, totally figure it out. And because we are very
Nina Perez:humans, are we're all pretty much the same. A lot of time is
Nina Perez:blocks around limiting beliefs or not knowing how to practice
Nina Perez:in a way that makes you feel comfortable. I find that a lot
Nina Perez:is that a lot of people understand that they need to go
Nina Perez:and ask somebody a better question or start a
Nina Perez:conversation, but they're not there yet it's too out of their
Nina Perez:comfort zone to do that. And so how do you practice from not
Nina Perez:being able to to being able to you have to break it down into
Nina Perez:more baby steps. Sometimes I say to my clients, don't talk to the
Nina Perez:people that you're you want to talk to, but you can't just go
Nina Perez:and smile, or just go for a walk and make eye contact, and you
Nina Perez:bring it down a bit, in a way that you're telling your body,
Nina Perez:it's all good. I was able to do this little extra thing, and it
Nina Perez:went well, and now your body is like, Okay, I'm getting
Nina Perez:comfortable with this. Let's do the next one, right? But if
Nina Perez:you're, like, pushing yourself so far out, then your body's
Nina Perez:like, I don't ever want to do that again.
Janice Porter:That's really, yeah, that's really good,
Janice Porter:because it makes me think that for so many people, a lot of it
Janice Porter:stems from their childhood. I mean, a lot of it stems back to
Janice Porter:their childhood, whether it was really religious, and they
Janice Porter:weren't allowed to do certain things, and now they're, you
Janice Porter:know, becoming themselves and not and fighting. You know what?
Janice Porter:They didn't wait. They've chosen to believe in or whatever. But
Janice Porter:it may also be not necessarily religious, just a strict
Janice Porter:upbringing, or a not so strict upbringing, or whatever it was
Janice Porter:that it all comes out when, when they're in situations that could
Janice Porter:be uncomfortable and are uncomfortable, yeah, because
Janice Porter:they never experienced them. So, so what would you say the
Janice Porter:biggest conception people have is the biggest conception
Janice Porter:misconception people have about about charisma, or about just
Janice Porter:showing up?
Nina Perez:Well, I love this question. The biggest
Nina Perez:misconception is that some people have it and some people
Nina Perez:die, right? Oh, you're charismatic. I'm not
Nina Perez:charismatic. And I believe that's a lie. I believe
Nina Perez:everybody is charismatic. There's just different flavors
Nina Perez:of charisma. And you just what, what is charisma? Charisma is
Nina Perez:others perceiving you as highly warm and highly competent. So if
Nina Perez:others see you that way, you will be labeled as charismatic.
Nina Perez:Now there are so many different flavors. You know, Oprah is
Nina Perez:highly charismatic. She's highly warm and competent. But also I
Nina Perez:look at like somebody who's more shy, like Margaret Thatcher or
Nina Perez:like Simon Sinek, right? He's a thoughtful leader, but he's not
Nina Perez:going to be like making jokes like Trevor Noah, who's also
Nina Perez:charismatic. All these people are charismatic, in addition
Nina Perez:their own way. They do have you feel their warmth. You know that
Nina Perez:they care about you and they also you feel their competence.
Nina Perez:You know they're capable. You know that you can trust and rely
Nina Perez:on what they're saying. They have authority credibility. But
Nina Perez:it's not always the social butterfly. So sometimes people
Nina Perez:equate charisma with social butterfly, and it doesn't have
Nina Perez:to be that way. You just need to bring out your flavor of warmth
Nina Perez:and your flavor of competence, what you know how to do it like
Nina Perez:what you're capable of, your abilities and so on. And so if
Nina Perez:you know how to do that, while you are having conversations and
Nina Perez:sharing how you care, and then what you know, then people will
Nina Perez:perceive you as that, and everybody wants to hang out with
Nina Perez:people who are charismatic because you like them and you
Nina Perez:trust them and so on. So that's the biggest myth. I don't have
Nina Perez:it. It's not me or or the other thing, well, when once people
Nina Perez:believe that they are somewhat charismatic, the second
Nina Perez:misconception, or the second thing I run into is I can only
Nina Perez:do it for some time, so it's like, I turn it on, I turn it
Nina Perez:off, I have to be on and have to and then I have to go off. So
Nina Perez:they toggle between
Janice Porter:being because it's exhausting. Is
Nina Perez:this exhausting? Yes, and that's because they do
Nina Perez:not have rituals of radiance, I call them. They don't have a way
Nina Perez:to nurture their confidence daily, like I said earlier, yes,
Nina Perez:yes, dedicated time, but your micro moments and so of course,
Nina Perez:you're going to drain your energy if you do not have a way
Nina Perez:to sustain it throughout your 24 hours.
Janice Porter:That's a very good point I hadn't thought of
Janice Porter:because it's true. People say then, oh, well, I'm an introvert
Janice Porter:or I'm an extrovert, and that's where they and that isn't
Janice Porter:necessarily the same thing at all.
Nina Perez:Well, I'm an introvert, and I have to say, a
Nina Perez:lot of people in the limelight are introverts. I know how to
Nina Perez:bring out what's important, right? They know how to share
Nina Perez:themselves.
Janice Porter:Yeah, it's just that. But a lot of a lot of in
Janice Porter:performers, particularly actors, they're more shy than, not
Janice Porter:necessarily, introverts, because introverts don't get their
Janice Porter:energy from a lot of an audience or a big lot of people, whereas
Janice Porter:extroverts do. So I think there's again, it's just
Janice Porter:terminology and so forth as well. Okay, so you've answered
Janice Porter:some of my questions already, but let's talk about leadership.
Janice Porter:Do you? Do you come across some some of your clients are trying
Janice Porter:to level up you'd mentioned earlier? Yes, and how? Like,
Janice Porter:what do you see as one of the biggest things that you have to
Janice Porter:work with them on? Is it because you mentioned about speaking to
Janice Porter:bigger crowds? But it's not just that for leadership is in many
Janice Porter:different things. So what comes to mind for you
Nina Perez:well, so I'll answer this in two ways. Two things
Nina Perez:come to mind. First of this, this, when we're talking about
Nina Perez:leadership and sharing yourself to the world, is that their
Nina Perez:opinions matter, that they're relevant, that they have enough
Nina Perez:to share. You know, a lot of people are worried of of stating
Nina Perez:their stories or sharing or even sharing stories, like, I don't
Nina Perez:want to monopolize the conversation, or I don't want to
Nina Perez:be and, you know, and usually you won't, if you have that
Nina Perez:thought, you will ask questions too. But you do want to share a
Nina Perez:little bit more detail about you than just, you know, facts,
Nina Perez:right? You want to share stories then, and also, you want to
Nina Perez:share your opinions. So that's one part that I'm noticing with
Nina Perez:all the people that I work with, and wherever they are I work
Nina Perez:with solo printers and entrepreneurs and CEOs, it
Nina Perez:doesn't matter they're it's still going to be different
Nina Perez:arenas, but it's still the same, the same issue of like, not
Nina Perez:being sure if what they have to say is important, relevant
Nina Perez:enough. You know, the second part is doing that on social
Nina Perez:media. So now, when you have the audience that you don't see,
Nina Perez:right, the non audience, right? It's there, but you don't
Nina Perez:actually, you can interact. You cannot see the reactions of
Nina Perez:people. You don't know how it's landing. What are they thinking
Nina Perez:saying? On the other side of that green.or the red dot, then
Nina Perez:there's a different level of anxiety, and also because it's
Nina Perez:going to stay forever, right? Like it's going to be out there,
Nina Perez:it's on video, or it's going to be loaded, or whatever. So it's
Nina Perez:another level, where I find people are hiding, or they're
Nina Perez:just worried, or they just cannot get the courage to put
Nina Perez:themselves out there again. And I battle with this all the time
Nina Perez:too. So. It's as you're leveling up, there is going to be an edge
Nina Perez:that you're going to come up against, and you need to really
Nina Perez:lean into your confidence who you are, your past, harvest your
Nina Perez:past, and also know that you are going to help someone. Your
Nina Perez:story will be somebody else's. You know, Survival Manual is
Nina Perez:what Brene Brown says. So share your story.
Janice Porter:Well, okay, so the first example that you gave,
Janice Porter:which now I've just forgotten about more in person and about,
Janice Porter:oh, about telling stories versus not telling stories, I think I,
Janice Porter:for example, well, I'm thinking about, you know, stories sell,
Janice Porter:facts tell, or something like that. That's how it goes, right?
Janice Porter:Facts tell, stories sell. And so it's important to learn how to
Janice Porter:tell a story so that it, it does so many things. It if you're
Janice Porter:telling a story like for me, when I talk, somebody said this
Janice Porter:to me once on a podcast, when you talk about your
Janice Porter:granddaughter, you light up like you would not believe. And it's
Janice Porter:true, right? So when I tell a story about my granddaughter,
Janice Porter:I'm I'm really authentically me, because I just love her so much,
Janice Porter:and I love everything about being a grandma, I'm going to
Janice Porter:start crying. But that being said, if I'm nervous or if I
Janice Porter:don't think it's appropriate, I might just, you know, rattle on
Janice Porter:facts, right? And that's not going to be as effective in a
Janice Porter:conversation, right? Mind you, I tend to deflect as well, and I
Janice Porter:will ask questions and get the other person talking. And I find
Janice Porter:that to be very helpful for me when I'm, you know, trying to
Janice Porter:get to know people or, you know, whatever, but, um, but yet, if
Janice Porter:I'm doing a presentation, that's the hardest thing for me to do,
Janice Porter:is to tell stories. And I remember someone saying to me,
Janice Porter:pick someone in the first row and just speak to them. Yeah,
Janice Porter:right. So it's little things like that, but, but it just made
Janice Porter:me think of those, those things I wanted to share. And then the
Janice Porter:second part of what you were talking about, about social
Janice Porter:media, I think there's like, Well, I I, at first I thought
Janice Porter:there was, like a dividing line between generations, that it was
Janice Porter:easier for the younger generations to talk about
Janice Porter:themselves and the older generations. But then I see
Janice Porter:someone like the this, the golden Bachelorette, who's put
Janice Porter:her whole life out there and is now making money from it, apart
Janice Porter:from her being on The Bachelorette So, and she's, you
Janice Porter:know, almost 70, if she's not 70, but, yeah, it's just
Janice Porter:interesting. It's what is your comfort zone on things like
Janice Porter:that. So I guess, like you said, Baby steps, baby steps, baby
Nina Perez:steps. Yeah, so with my clients, I'll say, you know,
Nina Perez:somebody asks you what you're interested or what's your
Nina Perez:passion project, and you're, you know, or what's, what's your
Nina Perez:hobbies? And you're like, I like to do yoga three times a week.
Nina Perez:Great. That's a little story. Yeah, that's a little fact. It's
Nina Perez:a fact, right? But if you share more like, I like to do, I like
Nina Perez:to do yoga three times a week because I find that it enliven
Nina Perez:my energy, or because I love the music that they use, and it just
Nina Perez:makes me think about peace all the time, and whatever it is,
Nina Perez:you just add because, and you just add one more layer, okay,
Nina Perez:little story, yeah, that's the baby step. You know, eventually
Nina Perez:you'll be able to tell stories that grip somebody's heart and
Nina Perez:makes them be like, what? What's the next thing? Right? Yeah,
Nina Perez:yeah. In the beginning, you just start with a little one more
Nina Perez:layer, okay? And then sometimes you may, share like a moment in
Nina Perez:time in the past, and then you describe it a little bit like,
Nina Perez:who was there? Was it in the kitchen? What were you talking
Nina Perez:about? Like, what happened in the I just wrote a chapter for a
Nina Perez:book called pain to power, and I describe a moment where I
Nina Perez:slammed the door in the car, and I felt that slamming the door
Nina Perez:was like some hypnotist waking me up, you know? And I remember
Nina Perez:that moment. It changed my life, that moment, but it was the slam
Nina Perez:of the door, and I described that in the chapter. And so you
Nina Perez:get better at having others see you in the moment, slamming the
Nina Perez:car door. Now that's a better story, right? They can put
Nina Perez:themselves, and as you share your story, they're gonna relate
Nina Perez:to parts of what you say, and they're gonna think, Am I like
Nina Perez:that? Or, you know, and that's when you start connecting at a
Nina Perez:deeper level, right? As if you can find common ground, like,
Nina Perez:Oh, I've thought about that too, or I have a moment like that
Nina Perez:too. Or what you said, I know what that feels like. Now you're
Nina Perez:creating that chemistry you were talking about earlier, because
Nina Perez:we're connecting heart to heart, energy to energy, common ground
Nina Perez:to common ground, right,
Janice Porter:right, right, that's beautiful. I was just
Janice Porter:thinking, and this isn't on my question list, but I know you
Janice Porter:have a son, right? Or two, you have one son.
Nina Perez:I have a son that I that I birthed, and then I have
Nina Perez:known his daughter, right? Okay? His daughter, all right. So I
Janice Porter:wanted to, how long have you been, seven years
Janice Porter:with your partner, okay, yeah, so, but with your son, I wanted
Janice Porter:to, I wanted to say, have you seen or when he was younger,
Janice Porter:when he was the only child? Now he's got an older sibling,
Janice Porter:right? Yeah, they're the same age. Actually, they're, Oh,
Janice Porter:that's right, that's right. They are. So do you see any, any, any
Janice Porter:areas where you have had, you've taught him those things along
Janice Porter:the way? I'm trying to say
Nina Perez:no, because kids, they don't listen to you, but
Nina Perez:they watch you, you know, and they, it's like, they observe
Nina Perez:and they, they're like little sponges. So I Okay, so I have a
Nina Perez:beautiful story. It was five in the morning, and Gavin, I'm up
Nina Perez:early every morning, and I hear him, like, rustling around. I'm
Nina Perez:like, what's going on? And he's making this card, and it's the
Nina Perez:last day of elementary school, and he's like, you know,
Nina Perez:ruffling through his thick crafts in his bedroom and making
Nina Perez:a card for a friend. And he was so like, I, I really want to
Nina Perez:make sure they know what, how I care about them, and I want to
Nina Perez:continue the friendship, even though we're going to different
Nina Perez:schools and so on. And so he thought it was important enough
Nina Perez:to wake up like hours before he normally wakes up to make this
Nina Perez:card for his friend and to give it on the last day of school.
Nina Perez:That is from him observing that I always say, like you need to
Nina Perez:you want to make cards like he sees me writing letters and
Nina Perez:cards to people and sending things and and, but I always say
Nina Perez:to him, it's so important to tell people what you what you
Nina Perez:love about them, what you admire about them, and so on. And so I
Nina Perez:was so proud, you know, I felt so wonderful just to to observe
Nina Perez:him, that it was important to him to wake up early. And you
Nina Perez:know how kids are with sleep? Yes, they don't want to wake up,
Nina Perez:right? And they don't want to go to sleep, they want to stay up
Nina Perez:late, and so on. But he he woke up and made it a priority for
Nina Perez:him to do this before breakfast and and it was beautiful. And he
Nina Perez:read me the note. And I was like, I was like, so touched. It
Nina Perez:was a beautiful letter to his friend to keep the friendship
Nina Perez:going. And, yeah, of course, you know, I made a post about that
Nina Perez:because I was so like, oh yeah, about how when you care people,
Nina Perez:you know, you do things, you do the extra thing. So are you
Nina Perez:showing people that you care? You know, when you're even
Nina Perez:building new relationships, are you asking questions? Are you
Nina Perez:finding out? Are you showing up for your new friends, to their
Nina Perez:master classes, to the thing? Are you doing the things that
Nina Perez:are gonna help that relationship grow.
Janice Porter:It's funny. I have a cute little story about
Janice Porter:Amara, my granddaughter. They live in an apartment complex.
Janice Porter:It's fairly big one, and it's new, and there's lots of people
Janice Porter:around, and there's dogs allowed. And my my other
Janice Porter:daughter, not the mother of Amara, but my other daughter has
Janice Porter:a dog, and they actually live together, all of them, and Amara
Janice Porter:and I were going down the elevator one day, and this guy
Janice Porter:came in the elevator with his one of his two dogs, and she
Janice Porter:looked, and she's six, and she looked at the guy, and she said,
Janice Porter:Hi, how's and she patted The dog, and the dog's name was
Janice Porter:Carol, which is quite funny in itself. And she said, and I
Janice Porter:forget the other dog's name, but she asked this guy. She said,
Janice Porter:hi. She said, How's Joan, you know, the other dog, whatever
Janice Porter:the dog's name was, how's Joan doing? Like she wasn't afraid to
Janice Porter:ask. She knew this dog more than she knew the person. She was
Janice Porter:very it was so cute. But you know, we we have this thing
Janice Porter:about, you know, don't talk to strangers. And yet, there's
Janice Porter:something, you know, it shuts kids down too much. Sometimes we
Janice Porter:have to know and be but we have to understand the difference
Janice Porter:too, and that's sometimes difficult when you're six, yeah,
Janice Porter:but
Nina Perez:adults carry that like now you're 3040, and you
Nina Perez:still have that in the back of your mind. Don't talk to
Nina Perez:strangers running the fact that you're like, not being friendly
Nina Perez:in the world.
Janice Porter:Yeah, exactly. It's crazy, right? All right.
Janice Porter:Last question about your work, because I can see in just the
Janice Porter:conversation we've had, people will see or will listen. Will
Janice Porter:hear our listeners will actually hear the passion that you have
Janice Porter:for your work. I can I know it because it comes through so
Janice Porter:clearly. So what would you say to someone who thinks that
Janice Porter:they're just not that confident, that you know knowing that this
Janice Porter:can be learned?
Nina Perez:Yeah, so you, all of us, started with not being
Nina Perez:confident. And even if you have achievements, you still may have
Nina Perez:an area where you're like, I know I'm hiding. I know I'm not
Nina Perez:going to go for it. I know I'm like, waiting for something to
Nina Perez:happen. We all have that in every moment. And the thing is,
Nina Perez:it is something that you can nurture. It is something that
Nina Perez:can grow just like a flower. Right? We know it takes time, we
Nina Perez:know it takes some daily practice, but it can be really
Nina Perez:fun, like, I give my clients home fun. I don't call it
Nina Perez:homework. I'm like, home fun that you're gonna do, and it's
Nina Perez:little experiments, and there's no, like, right or wrong way.
Nina Perez:It's not one size fits all. You know, some some of my tools, I
Nina Perez:call them self connection tools. You might not love one or the
Nina Perez:other, but you want to try them and see how it feels if it if
Nina Perez:your nervous system is like, I loved that great. You know, if
Nina Perez:your nervous system is like, that was really hard. Like, one
Nina Perez:of the things I sometimes ask clients to do is just really
Nina Perez:simply, you know, look in the mirror and tell themselves
Nina Perez:something great about themselves. A lot of my clients
Nina Perez:cannot do that, let alone if I say, say I love you to yourself
Nina Perez:in the mirror, that that is very hard to do, and so we tone it
Nina Perez:back to, well, look in the mirror and tell the mirror, tell
Nina Perez:yourself what you did today. I went to the doctor, and I went
Nina Perez:to the groceries and and just start and that, that is the baby
Nina Perez:step needed to start becoming like, able to relate to yourself
Nina Perez:in a different way while you're looking at yourself in the
Nina Perez:mirror. So everybody starts somewhere, and it can definitely
Nina Perez:be learned, and it's a skill, and you just have to do some
Nina Perez:home fun around it. Okay, go from A to B, and most again,
Nina Perez:most of the time the the change is much more rapid than we we
Nina Perez:think. You know, I just did a three day live workshop, and
Nina Perez:after the three days, a lot of people are like, I can see how,
Nina Perez:if I did this every day, I can see how it can be possible that
Nina Perez:my energy will stay up, that I can have, you know, I'm capable
Nina Perez:and resourceful. I can do all these things. You know, when you
Nina Perez:can see the path, it's much easier for you to go,
Janice Porter:and it's also lovely that you have someone in
Janice Porter:your corner. Oh, yeah, yeah, right. So I see that that would
Janice Porter:be really helpful as well
Nina Perez:community, because I also have communities that you
Nina Perez:can be a part of, so you don't only learn from me, but you can
Nina Perez:also see what the other clients are doing. I love group
Nina Perez:programs, because that's it. You know, even in corporations, we
Nina Perez:have a board of directors. It's not just a low
Janice Porter:speed off each other, right? Yeah, for sure.
Janice Porter:Okay, well, I wasn't going to ask this so, but I am going to,
Janice Porter:because I think it's important piece that I asked some of my
Janice Porter:guests. I don't I haven't been asking it lately, but I think
Janice Porter:this is a perfect time to ask it. And this is my curiosity
Janice Porter:question, okay, okay, because I think that that we both know the
Janice Porter:power of curiosity, and it's my favorite word. And I want to
Janice Porter:know from you two things. One, do you think that it's innate or
Janice Porter:learned? And secondly, what are you most curious about these
Janice Porter:days?
Nina Perez:What great questions I think. I think we start off as
Nina Perez:innate like babies are curious. They want to eat everything,
Nina Perez:they want to touch everything. They want to explore everything.
Nina Perez:I think over time, we lose that curiosity, and we need to
Nina Perez:relearn it. And so I do so much work on teaching people how to
Nina Perez:look at people in a curious way, like how to look at the world in
Nina Perez:a curious way. Go for a walk and find 10 things that you're like.
Nina Perez:This is amazing. This is beautiful. This is awe
Nina Perez:inspiring. So that's nurturing your curiosity, that's
Nina Perez:developing that skill of curiosity. So as a baby, we have
Nina Perez:it some way. As we're growing up, we kind of lose the
Nina Perez:innateness of it, and then we have to relearn it. And what I'm
Nina Perez:curious about, I'm curious about so many things. I mean, I'm
Nina Perez:reading four books at the same time. I
Janice Porter:was just gonna ask you what you're fit what
Janice Porter:you're reading.
Nina Perez:So I can tell you I'm curious right now about
Nina Perez:listening. You know the opposite of what we're
Janice Porter:doing? Do you know? Do you know what the
Janice Porter:anagram of listen is? No, I don't silent. Ah, isn't that
Janice Porter:interesting? That is, that is so cool. I know. How can you listen
Janice Porter:if you're too busy talking
Nina Perez:exactly, so that's one of the books I'm reading.
Nina Perez:Okay, listening the Forgotten skill.
Janice Porter:Oh, I have that book. It's been around for a
Janice Porter:while, right? A long time. Yeah, that's where I got it from, I'm
Janice Porter:sure, from that book, because I used to teach listening as part
Janice Porter:of one of the courses soft skills I used to teach. And
Janice Porter:that's, I'm sure it's in my library over here. Anyway,
Janice Porter:amazing. Okay, yeah,
Nina Perez:so I'm really curious about what would be the
Nina Perez:possibility if I keep improving my listening skills, what is
Nina Perez:gonna come out of that? Like and, you know, in the world, we
Nina Perez:hear a lot, people want to be seen, heard and loved and so on.
Nina Perez:And I feel like, you know, we're not in there's not enough
Nina Perez:attention on listening, really, from the heart. Mm, hmm, so
Nina Perez:that's what I'm curious. I mean, I'm curious about a lot of
Nina Perez:things.
Janice Porter:No, I was just thinking I was trying to just
Janice Porter:take that in, because I think the more we listen carefully and
Janice Porter:and fully, the more curious. Curious we become, the more we
Janice Porter:can build rapport with people. I think it goes around and around,
Janice Porter:but you have to be curious enough to do it in the first
Janice Porter:place. And you know, like, I do it with LinkedIn training, I'm
Janice Porter:like, Look at this person's profile and see what in there.
Janice Porter:Do you see that you're curious about. Is there anything there
Janice Porter:that you're curious about? And it could be the the one little
Janice Porter:word that they have in their specialty section that says two
Janice Porter:words that says, you know, like dance junkie, or something like
Janice Porter:that, you know, something that would connect that person with
Janice Porter:you and so on. So yeah, I think it's just the start of
Janice Porter:everything for me is curiosity. So thank you for sharing with
Janice Porter:that, and this has been amazing. Yeah, I loved it. What a great
Janice Porter:conversation. Oh, thank you. So for my listeners, I think you
Janice Porter:would agree that confidence isn't just a skill. It's
Janice Porter:something you carry, you communicate and you embody and
Janice Porter:as Nina has shared today, when you stop trying to prove
Janice Porter:yourself and start showing up fully, everything changes your
Janice Porter:leadership, your conversations, your relationships, whether
Janice Porter:you're building a business or leading a team, the way you feel
Janice Porter:in your body shapes the way others experience you. So the
Janice Porter:next time you walk into a room, ask yourself, not what should I
Janice Porter:say, but how do I want to be remembered? And thanks for
Janice Porter:joining us today on relationships rule and remember
Janice Porter:to stay connected and be remembered. Thank you.
Nina Perez:Nina, oh my gosh. Thank you so much. Janice, you.
