Your Best Life – Cultivating Heart-Based Relationships | RR229

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Hello, everyone, and welcome to this week's

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episode of relationships rule. My guest this week is Chuck

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Hogan. And Chuck comes to us from Texas, the the the big

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state, we shall say everything's bigger in Texas, right? And

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first of all, welcome to the show. Chuck.

Chuck Hogan: 00:00:18

Thank you so much for having me on, Janice.

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My pleasure. Chuck is the managing partner, a

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managing partner at your best light, and an organization

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helping people to elevate finance, family fitness and

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faith, to maximize their best life through mentors

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strategizing community, and exclusive once in a lifetime

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experience. His unique background of sales business and

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relationship building gives him a rare perspective that enables

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him to successfully guide entrepreneurs, CEOs and other

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top executives to new heights. And that's a lot very formal and

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whatever. So I want to just dig right in and say, Okay, so your

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best life, which is your passion piece, I know, I can tell when

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I've talked to you before. What exactly is it? Why do I want to

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be part of it?

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It's a community. And one of the things that we

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started finding Janice, and that in the world of self

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development, self growth, for we want to call it self

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exploration, that there's a couple presuppositions one,

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people are looking for other like minded people. As a

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challenge with this, though, we get into these spaces where the,

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I'll say the draw initially, is that Ooh, did you see that too?

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Oh, I heard that as well. Oh, we can grow and be billionaires

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together. And it's like, okay, so there's this kind of premise

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of that, in some way, shape, or form, you need to improve you

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that you need to grow you and I go, Oh, level one relationship.

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Hmm. All about you. And here's the challenge with that. We are

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our own worst. Advocates. Like we don't advocate for self, we

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actually wait for someone else to give us an external reference

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of, hey, you know, you're amazing. Hey, I just like being

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around you. You are really kind of nice person. It's like, oh,

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well, thank you. And then Didn't you know that before? Like you,

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weren't you always that person. And so we judge self about we're

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waiting for a little frame in order for someone else. So your

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best life was created out of a very simple time. COVID got it.

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anything but simple. And I was like, well, actually not true.

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COVID forced everyone to slow down to reevaluate what was

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really important. You had listed a little thing called time that

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was back on your side. Because you weren't commuting

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unnecessarily. You weren't hanging out with a bunch of

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people. It's like, I've got a lot more net time than I used to

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have. And all of a sudden, Janice, friends of mine, and

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cohorts and business partners, we started collaborating, we're

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like, what do we miss? We miss people. Oh, but it's socially

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responsible to go out and meet with other people. And I go, is

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that really true? Because I'm around my kids all the time and

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not an issue. And I'm around my spouse all the time. And it's

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not an issue. And I said, so if you're around other like minded,

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and this was the key difference, like hearted people. So Whoa,

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whoa, whoa, what's that all about? And I said, Well, here's

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the truth. A lot of communities people get together, and they'll

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go, oh, teach me something. I'm a sponge. I just want to learn.

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I go, huh? I've been part of a lot of I'll say shelf health

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programs. Because the book goes right on the shelf, the binder,

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the whole dissertation, they were an intensive three day. hit

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Florida, the bit of the pedal to the metal and they were just

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going on going it's like, okay, and what changed? Oh, I changed.

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I shifted. I am a new person. It's I got

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great. What do you change?

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Well, my focus is different now, Chuck, so I'm planning I'm

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planning the chain. Oh, so you didn't actually shift. But it's

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an idea and ideology. It's a apotheosis. It's a theory. Well,

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why BL said let's start with the theory. Let's get people

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together. Because there are places on this planet we can

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still travel to. Yes, you have to wear masks on a plane. So we

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opened up year one

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during COVID. Yes. Scary.

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Okay. Good. You all are psychotic. And I go, Well,

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no, there's a difference. See, we don't look to raise

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standards, we look to have different standards. Why? In

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order to raise a standard, you have to judge the standard that

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you had before. And anytime you judge you lose access to those

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resources. So now you're presupposing that something was

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wrong. It wasn't good enough. And it's like, oh, this is the

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advantage of being a neuro strategist because now you're

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remembering how the brain works. You go. So we're going to create

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a different strategy and a different standard. And the

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standard was we're going to enjoy each other We're going to

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collaborate. So our very first trip was to Costa Rica. We then

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went to Mykonos, the Maldives ash curette. COVID. During

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COVID, we went to Park City, Utah, we've gone to the Maldives

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we have gone. I mean, I know you all are nuts. It's like, no,

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actually, it's setting a different standard. We just got

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back from Rwanda. And with John Gray and his beautiful wife,

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Vicky, on a family trip, which we call her also relationship.

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Why does this become important? We're not looking for

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exceptional. This is the interesting part, we started

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noticing that people are brilliant, beautiful, bright and

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bold in and of themselves. And yet, when we start to look at

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the modalities of a person, and we'll use our hand as an

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example, if I'm working in faith, family, fitness and

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finance, if I'm ailing in any one of these, they're all

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tethered together. So a rising tide raises all ships, but an

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anchor can sync all of them as well. And so we started to

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realize that were a lot of firms were offering coaching or

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strategist services. We shifted. We said you know what, we're

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gonna bring in the best of the best people who are specialists

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in relationship and business and not just talking it they

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actually have built, you know, they're sent to millionaires and

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DECA millionaires and, and they've been married. I've been

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married for 37 years, you know, it's like, so is there an

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example there? Yes. Three beautiful kids. Everyone's

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healthy and happy. Oh, so you're, you're like the

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Huxtables you're like the Brady Bunch. You're like I said, no,

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there are some days were more like married with children. I'm

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like Ted Bundy. Or Al Bundy. Excuse me, O'Neill and Al Bundy.

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And I blended the same guy. Difference. Exactly. Yeah. But

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to your point, your best life is a community. And It specializes

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in faith, family, fitness, and finance. And we started to

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notice that when people were suffering in business, it

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normally wasn't due to the business, it was normally due to

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something that was happening in their personal life and the

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relationships. When people were suffering the relationships, it

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was like, it wasn't just the relationship. It was health and

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vitality or spirituality and faith. And it's like, okay, so

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we brought in the best of the best and all these different

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silos. And there's a lot of crosstalk. There's a lot of

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cross chat, but you don't want to thank you for something. You

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went on our website. And you said, it's so positive. Thank

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you for that. Because the intent is, is that you're going to live

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life. Some people are surviving it. Some people are thriving in

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it. Yeah. Exactly. To live life to the fullest. And to say, I'm

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gonna live my best life, whatever that looks like today.

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Okay. Okay. But but I would guess from looking

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at the website that, you know, it says attention, dreamers,

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doers, and achievers, how we help you design your best to

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you. But it looks to me like, I have to have a lot of money to

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be involved in this community. thing that I've felt. So

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this is this is one of the other tenants of the

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company, we actually made this based on a membership that

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actually helps cultivate your business first. And here's the

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reason why we started I know people go Wait, what? So

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literally, your your membership is for business, strategizing,

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and in all the other modalities, but we literally dive deep in

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your business to find out who you are, what you are good

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services, operations, optimization, we look at cash

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flow culture, we look at the certainty we look at the

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modalities behind production, profitability, products,

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delivery, marketing, and why we do this as we realize that when

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people have capacity, it actually gives them more

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possibilities. So money is not the outcome. It's the

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opportunities that the tool Yeah, for sure. We've had a lot

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of clients, Janice, who have been so relegated to being the

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business operator, like they I can't get out of it can't get

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out of it are often optics are to help them move more towards

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ownership, where now they're getting more net time back,

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right? Being able to scale. And also to start to propagate exit

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strategies for a business or business is we've had several

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members who have done that and they're like going, Oh, my gosh,

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know what I do. So you have people in the

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organization who are business consultant, strategist,

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whatever, like counsel, things like that, who guide and help

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people in their businesses first

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and Yes, correct. So we have a top tier economist

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and a former head of a national mortgage brokerage firm who was

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so adept with money it's beyond ridiculous. His his calls on

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what's happened economically have been beyond freakishly

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good. I daresay great, but I don't want to jinx it. So I'll

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knock on some wood here. Preston Brown, who is my other part? So

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that's Dean and as Preston Brown is a entrepreneur grew up. Very,

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I'll say humble beginnings. In his trailer park lifestyle as a

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kid, but so much drive so much passion, so learned that he now

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owns 19 companies, and he is well into being a center

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millionaire owns several aircraft and McLaren. I mean,

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he's living. He's very blessed, one of the most brilliant human

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beings I know. And he questions everything, which I love, which

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I love. He's that guy. It's the definitely that guy, and myself

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as well. And then here was what the beautiful part, we actually

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have members who decided to actually become strategists

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within our organization. And because they have this calling,

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they're like, oh, and I've made, you know, hundreds of millions

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of dollars. And now it's time for me to give back. So they

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actually started off as members. And now they've converted over

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to being strategist within our organization as well. It what's

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so brilliant about this is that they know the journey. But yet,

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there's zero judgment in this is what I am so grateful, and

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blessed to talk about is that you can be in a space where

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people can co elevate and grow without measuring wallets, bank

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accounts, lifestyles, happy that all but this looks very robust.

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And I go, it's actually ridiculously affordable. For

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seriously $2,500 A month someone can join and have their business

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scrubbed, looked at get personal strategizing, and consulting.

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And yet, not just in one facet of their life in all facets of

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their life.

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And some people would, and I'm sure you've heard

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this, but it when it feels like some people could say, oh, this

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sounds like a cult.

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Right? And you know what? It bless you for saying

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that? I came from one of those environments? Yes, yes. For many

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years, and and with all due respect, the first four letters

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in the world well in culture, because that's when you go, Oh,

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we're cultivating a culture. And I go, Well, yes, the first four

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letters are called. And so that's not by happenstance, the

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other side of it is, is that I would say, I believe that most

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people are looking and one of the top human needs that we have

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both six human needs, essential needs essential air, water,

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food, shelter, love and connection. Human beings need to

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be connected. In fact, any pediatric nurse will tell you

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that if a child is not loved within the first five minutes of

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birth, then it's called failure to thrive syndrome, they will

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literally expire, they will they will not, we have this essence

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and need that spark. In the six human needs, we have a need for

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I'll say certainty. So security, variety, or uncertainty,

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significance, love and connection, growth and

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contribution. And the last two being spiritual, the only really

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metric that crossover to both in the needs is loving connection,

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and is something that's so systemic to who we are. So why

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do I go there? We decided that there were three tenants that

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needed to be met, in order for y VL. To exist, one, that it

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always had to be value add, it always needed to be able to

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listen to his community and give the value that people needed,

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not what people wanted. There's a huge difference. I agree. The

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second part was is that we made it where if you were in

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relationship, that your spouse could go on any of the trips

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with you, it was not a Oh, you're gonna grow and then try

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and go back home and try and explain to someone and I'm very

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specific with my language, I'm saying going back home, because

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that's what most people did is they would go and elevated and

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then go back home and try and explain it to their spouse

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through there.

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I've done it. I know it doesn't work.

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Like, this is so painful. And I actually had

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someone call me out on this a couple weeks ago in the chat, I

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have to disagree, brother. And I said, Okay, great. We'll call

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him John said, John, if you want to flight training, intensive

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flight training for four days, four days, you're ready to go

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ahead and take your family out. Solo flying, no issue. You're

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good to go. He goes, No, no, no, no. I said, whoa, whoa, whoa,

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whoa. But you just told me that you he goes, Well, I'm not

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crazy. And I go, Well, is it not crazy to go ahead and take the

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emotional values of your family, their outcomes, their goals,

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their dreams and aspirations? And now you're trying to Guru

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them when you're not done cooking? And he goes, Wow, he

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goes that flight analogy and I go, you're still stuck on the

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flight analogy. I said, Great. I said, so would you be able to

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teach your wife to sit next to you, and now be the pilot as you

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co pilot because you're so diverse. And you've gone through

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every experience of turbulence and engine failure and you go

Chuck Hogan: 00:14:35

no, no, timeout, dude, you're scaring me and I go good.

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Because here's the ticket. It's the journey. And when you get to

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grow together, the family that strives together thrives

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together, you're gonna be hearing the exact same

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information when you get back to the room at night and you're

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comparing notes. It's like, oh my gosh, we're co elevating.

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We're growing. We're getting these distinctions by trusted

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people.

Janice Porter: 00:14:54

Mm hmm.

Chuck Hogan: 00:14:56

It's like oh, so second. This is

Janice Porter: 00:14:59

a little of a sigh. a turn. But I noticed on

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your website that you had Jim quick as a speaker. Yes.

Janice Porter: 00:15:07

fascinates me. Oh, yeah. So I was just curious in your case,

Chuck Hogan: 00:15:12

that when you brought his name up, Jim is

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someone I absolutely adore. He is He epitomizes what it is to

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meet physiological challenges and mental challenges, and yet

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come away with easy, actionable information that can provide

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insights and distinctions. And so all three of my children have

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read his books, they have done his his homework assignments,

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his home play, as we call it. And it's been brilliant. Jim,

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is, I won't call him a friend, I will just say he's a dear

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console to our community. And we're gonna have him back again.

Chuck Hogan: 00:15:58

In fact, he's, I believe I'm trying to get him scheduled for

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the end of the year. What I love about him is that when you start

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to understand the physiological manifestations as to how your

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brain works, it's kind of like knowing how your car works. You

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don't move a lever over here and go, Oh, I'm making a turn

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signal, you're gonna Wait, isn't that on this side? And they go,

Chuck Hogan: 00:16:19

Oh, semantics, and I go, No, it's like, you pull this lever,

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you get a different action. That's called the shift. You

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know? That's the shifter. So why do I go there? To your point,

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Jim is one of those folks, that is so real. And I can say this,

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and it's a point of contention that I'm so proud of. We have

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had events where our speakers are now members of our

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community.

Janice Porter: 00:16:45

Hmm, that doesn't happen very often. No, that says

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a lot for sure.

Chuck Hogan: 00:16:50

It does to us, and that there's that trust in that

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integration. And they play full out just like everyone else. So

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someone was asked me they go, oh, so if I'm a speaker at one

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of your events, Chuck, How's it different? I said, Well, there's

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a requirement, you get your your, you know, your speaker's

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fee, and you and your entourage, we fly you out. First class, we

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take care of you said, but we also have a demand that oh, that

Chuck Hogan: 00:17:15

sounds drastic. And I said, I hope so. And that is we need to

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get to know you. So you are going to come to dinner with us.

Chuck Hogan: 00:17:24

You're going to come play with us, you're going to be partake

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of the entire event. And you're going to be a participant when

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you're not on stage. They're like, Shut the front door or

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like no, come on and play with the rest of us. It has been so

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beautiful Janice, to see these people who normally are held way

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up on high, and they fly in, they fly out, they get in to get

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out, you know, they do a gig. Yeah. And we're like, No, you're

Chuck Hogan: 00:17:47

here for an event. You're here for an experience.

Janice Porter: 00:17:50

I love that. I love that. Because it you know,

Janice Porter: 00:17:53

it's funny, you just made me think of something that we put

Janice Porter: 00:17:57

these, the, I'll call it celebrity we put people on a

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pedestal. They're just, they're just people, they, you know,

Janice Porter: 00:18:05

they maybe have lucked out, they'd been born under a lucky

Janice Porter: 00:18:08

star or they work damn hard to get where they where they are.

Janice Porter: 00:18:12

Or they have some you know, they just hit the market at the right

Janice Porter: 00:18:16

time, whatever it was. They're just people. And if if we treat

Janice Porter: 00:18:21

them that way, then I think they appreciate that. They used to

Janice Porter: 00:18:25

remember when my older daughter was a baby, my parents lived in

Janice Porter: 00:18:30

Beverly Hills. And we used to go down there just before

Janice Porter: 00:18:34

Christmas, and we wheeled stroller through the streets of

Janice Porter: 00:18:38

Beverly Hills. And we'd be looking for celebrities, you

Janice Porter: 00:18:41

know, just for fun, but I would never like you know, gawk at

Janice Porter: 00:18:47

them. Or, you know, I would smile and you know, sometimes it

Janice Porter: 00:18:51

feels like you know them because you come across someone that

Janice Porter: 00:18:54

that you know, from the screen or the television or whatever.

Janice Porter: 00:18:58

But when they when they stopped me because my little girl in my

Janice Porter: 00:19:04

stroller was so cute and said something to me. It was just

Janice Porter: 00:19:08

like, I wasn't going to say oh my god, you're so and so you

Janice Porter: 00:19:10

know, and I'm just act like normal. And you go out to eat.

Janice Porter: 00:19:14

And the next table was someone famous, you know, you just have

Janice Porter: 00:19:17

to deal with it. It bring everything down to a people

Janice Porter: 00:19:22

level. And so I love that that's what you were talking about, is

Janice Porter: 00:19:25

not keeping them on a pedestal and allowing everything to flow,

Janice Porter: 00:19:30

which is I think it's really it's really cool.

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:33

Well, it brings us to the last point out of the

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:35

three points and that was there is no guru. There is no one

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:39

person who's more important than this community than anyone else

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:43

are revered. From our event planners to our see oh to my

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:48

business partners and co founders of why VL to every

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:51

member of the community. We put out polls and we ask where do

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:56

you want to go? What do you want to experience? Who would you

Chuck Hogan: 00:19:58

love to hear from and these are the aspirational people that we

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:03

elicit and really work to bring into the environment. But here's

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:07

the interesting part. Oftentimes we go Oh, could you get Oprah?

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:11

Oh, could you get to, you know, Jay Shetty or or Joe Rogan? Or

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:15

it's like, okay, why? Yeah. Why do they go? Oh, because their

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:19

insights, their distinctions, I go, okay, to your point,

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:23

celebrity. And we go, what if there were just a human being

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:28

who's worked really hard? Who has so many distinctions and in

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:32

fact, the sound bites that you're hearing from some of

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:34

those names they're taking from these people? Because they're

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:38

that elevated? I go, why would we get it straight from the

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:41

horse's mouth? And they're like, God, Oh, why wouldn't we are

Chuck Hogan: 00:20:47

like, well, there you go.

Janice Porter: 00:20:50

So, um, so if if people join your community, then

Janice Porter: 00:20:55

it's not all about events, though. You do work with people

Janice Porter: 00:20:58

individually or with family. And then you do community events and

Janice Porter: 00:21:05

trips and things like that. So wants to go goes,

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:08

right. So we actually have four trips a year.

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:11

We're getting back next week. Actually starting the 28th will

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:16

be in Santa Fe for our faith trip. And we have spent Alana

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:22

Newsom, who is an energy worker and faith leader, we have Dr.

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:27

Michael Beckwith, who's coming Reverend Beckwith Oh, yeah. So

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:30

he's actually our keynote speaker. And he'll be hanging

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:33

out with us and having fun and then one of my associates

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:36

Preston Brown, my entrepreneur, yeah. But he is so faith driven.

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:41

And and it's one of those modalities where you go, okay,

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:46

great. So once a quarter, every 90 days, you have an opportunity

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:50

to immerse yourself in different lessons, learnings,

Chuck Hogan: 00:21:55

environments, meals, outings, experiences. We just got back

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:00

from Rwanda, and we did a two day excursion two days out with

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:04

the mountain gorillas of Rwanda. And oh, I have after I'll send

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:10

you a video, Janice, it will

Janice Porter: 00:22:13

is that where cuz we're talking about celebrity is

Janice Porter: 00:22:16

that where Elon has the thing the thing on on Entertainment

Janice Porter: 00:22:22

Tonight yesterday, that's why I thought of it. Their sanctuary

Janice Porter: 00:22:26

isn't it for Yeah,

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:27

we were right there we went to her the sanctuary, we

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:30

checked it all out. And Diane Fauci and, and we went through

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:35

the entire expos a and it's what I will say is interest eight, it

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:42

was never something that was on my bucket list, it would have

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:45

been on my bucket list, so I could check it off. Because it

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:47

was, it was where I would have imagined when I was a little kid

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:51

growing up. As you know, I was born in Japan, my dad's in the

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:55

military, and my mom was a teacher in Japan, and coming

Chuck Hogan: 00:22:59

over to the states and going, Wow, you can be and live and

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:02

have every experience you've ever desired in life.

Janice Porter: 00:23:05

It only requires one thing faith

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:10

faith that you deserve it faith that the world

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:13

is your oyster, and if you choose to not no longer play

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:16

small, and trust yourself, and we all go through the three

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:22

levels of change, we fake it till we make it we face it till

Chuck Hogan: 00:23:26

we make it and then we fake it till we make it

Janice Porter: 00:23:30

just stop there for a second and and let me ask

Janice Porter: 00:23:33

you, because I know that you you started out in the world of

Janice Porter: 00:23:39

personal development and that was that was a big part of of

Janice Porter: 00:23:43

your world, I think for a long time. And so with the big guru

Janice Porter: 00:23:47

and and you were on the stage with them and everything. And I

Janice Porter: 00:23:51

have to think back to you know, I've had experience with

Janice Porter: 00:23:55

personal development courses and the big stage and everybody

Janice Porter: 00:23:59

we're all wrong and exactly the stories you were telling me

Janice Porter: 00:24:02

about coming back and kind of D What do you call it when you

Janice Porter: 00:24:07

know when you have to you have to decompress and you know and

Janice Porter: 00:24:12

get come back to Earth and then all of a sudden you've it's not

Janice Porter: 00:24:16

as clear as it was when you were there and you know you put the

Janice Porter: 00:24:19

book on the shelf like you said that kind of thing. So but but

Janice Porter: 00:24:23

having been immersed in that for so many years, I think Which way

Janice Porter: 00:24:28

did you go did it did did all of that really get inside you to

Janice Porter: 00:24:35

make you get to where you are now and what you're offering

Janice Porter: 00:24:38

which is a better version of you think a better version a

Janice Porter: 00:24:41

different version, a new a new entity of personal development,

Janice Porter: 00:24:46

or do you get did you get what's the word? Kind of jaded by what

Janice Porter: 00:24:57

you saw with people?

Chuck Hogan: 00:24:58

The answer's yes. Oh, let me explain. So part of

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:04

it is, is I was involved in environment for about 22 years

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:07

and a long time. It is a long time and my functionality within

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:12

that space was in servant leadership. So what do we mean

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:16

by that, as someone who goes up through the ranks, you're

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:20

literally a volunteer, that they will compensate by putting you

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:25

up in a hotel, giving you a stipend for food, and flying you

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:29

in. And but for that, you're on between 20 and 22 hours a day.

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:34

And so literally, you're putting in two full workdays. Let me

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:39

rephrase that. I don't know if everyone else did. I know what I

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:42

was doing.

Janice Porter: 00:25:43

Staff, you were volunteer? That is correct. And

Janice Porter: 00:25:47

why I knew people who did that kind of thing. Okay. Yeah. Okay.

Janice Porter: 00:25:51

So

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:51

then you get invited to become part of what I

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:54

will call their leadership team and their trainer body. And it's

Chuck Hogan: 00:25:58

all beautiful. I mean, the intention is great. The

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:01

challenge becomes when you start to realize that everything has a

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:08

discretionary value. So what do I mean by that? If I donate an

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:13

hour of my time, and this is where it gets a little sketchy

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:17

for people, Janice, most people don't know what they're worth an

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:19

hour. Even in their businesses, they have no clue, right? And so

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:25

but they do know this, if they left for two weeks and came back

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:27

like, oh, eBay, oh my gosh, oh, there's so much going on. Oh,

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:31

this is crazy. Oh, you know, I need a vacation from my

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:34

vacation. And why do I go there, I started realizing that the

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:39

currency that I was paying in was me. Skill set time

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:43

intention. I spent 22 years cultivating

Janice Porter: 00:26:47

this dream. Well, being away,

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:50

contributing and serving towards it. Yeah. But at

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:52

the same token, sharpening me because metal sharpens metal. So

Chuck Hogan: 00:26:57

when I started looking at it going skill sets were sharp and

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:01

improved. And there was a reason why they trust you in that

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:03

environment. Where it got sketchy was when I decided to no

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:09

longer dim my light when I actually started to listen and

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:12

be very clear that all the things that were being said from

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:14

stage, apply to everybody else, but not me. So the minute I

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:20

decided to stop playing small the minute I started to co

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:23

elevate myself, the minute I started to collaborate with

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:26

other people who were like minded and like hearted, my life

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:30

took a different trajectory. And I was asked, well, I will be

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:35

quite blunt about this. My status was revoked. And it was

Chuck Hogan: 00:27:39

like seeing

Janice Porter: 00:27:40

Are you saying that, that in all the time that

Janice Porter: 00:27:43

you did all of that volunteers, servant leadership that you were

Janice Porter: 00:27:51

perhaps searching and feeling less than, in a way? Well,

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:02

filling up on one level. So the world has anyone

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:06

who knows me knows I'm a love bug, like I love helping people

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:10

move through it grow through what they're going through. And

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:13

on the other side of that, so that's why the Lord the

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:17

universe, put me on this planet was to help people and I go,

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:19

okay, so does that mean that you have to be impoverished to do

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:23

it? Does that mean that you have to give up the rest of your

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:25

income stream in order to do this, right? The average person

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:29

that for a while, while I listen, I was living it because

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:32

I had a challenge. Bless you, I had a challenge. And the

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:37

challenge was, it was beautiful thing. I was flattered by it. I

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:41

was invited to about 13 events a year. And that was actually

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:46

running programs and helping in in some instance speaking on

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:49

stage and then opening up and you know, getting 15,000 people

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:52

stayed induced to, you know, be ready to for an event. And so it

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:56

was very flattering. But it wasn't about me it was about

Chuck Hogan: 00:28:59

being in service. And where it started to take a toll was I was

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:03

like, uh, my wife's not here. She's at home. My kids aren't

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:07

here. They're at home. Anyone who's ever met me knows I'm a

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:12

servant leader. But they also know I'm a family man first. And

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:15

so I started realizing that I was giving up more and more and

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:19

more and not living congruently here I am telling other people

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:24

that my family and I deserve the best of me and not what's left

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:26

of me. And what are they getting? What's left of me? It's

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:30

like, oh, oh, this is not congruent. Something, you know,

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:34

I got it. I have to take out the garbage. But I'm sorry, I lost

Chuck Hogan: 00:29:39

your volume for some reason.

Janice Porter: 00:29:42

There you go. So as soon as the light bulb went

Janice Porter: 00:29:48

on for you, and things got it, it shifted and then everything

Janice Porter: 00:29:54

changed because you ended up having to leave and start things

Janice Porter: 00:29:58

differently for yourself and you went into I think executive

Janice Porter: 00:30:00

search at that time, right? Well, we

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:02

did. So what happened was is that we actually

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:05

started EY BL first we actually, we did and what happened was his

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:10

my two partners in crime we got together. And they asked me this

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:15

very poignant question. They said, Who do you need to be? And

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:19

I was like, What do you mean? I am who I am they know who you

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:23

have aspirations. Are you fulfilled living at this level?

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:27

And I was like, well, it meets some of my needs, but not all of

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:31

my needs. And they go, Well, what would need to shift they

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:34

go, they'll, if you could dream and develop this, what would it

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:37

look like? And exactly what I described you with Ydl? Yeah,

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:41

just services, the environment, the people, the camaraderie, and

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:46

this was an important facet to that we cap it at 100 members.

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:50

Now that means that the member and then they can have their

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:53

spouse so roughly 200 People in this environment? Why is that

Chuck Hogan: 00:30:57

important? We started to see some other environments that had

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:01

oh my gosh, 700 1000 people? Well, number one, no one can put

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:07

on an event where you get to have that many people

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:09

consistently. Number two, it starts to become very cliquey.

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:14

The people with the most money are hate it they got it was that

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:18

the only thing I said no, that the you know, the fakers. So

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:21

they're making it they have a tendency to collaborate

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:23

together. And it said, I just said, so what we started looking

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:26

at was how do we instill a sense of community. And we said by

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:31

number one, everyone goes through an interview process, it

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:33

doesn't make a difference if you can afford the membership or

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:35

not. Number two, we're going to tell you, if it's worth it for

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:39

you. We have an initial call, we say, what do you need? How do

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:44

you need to feel most often? And we start to go down that road.

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:48

And then we started to see okay, well, we can see why this is

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:50

uncomfortable. We can see why the kids that you brought in the

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:54

business and generational you know, communication gaps, and

Chuck Hogan: 00:31:57

yada yada, yada and all of a sudden it's like, holy smokes.

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:00

And quite frankly, Janice, we've had people who've we've turned

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:03

away from the environment that they wanted to come in in

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:06

illicit solicit grandstand. And we're like going, this is not

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:11

the space for you.

Janice Porter: 00:32:12

Yeah, view, is it global.

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:15

It is global. We, we initially start off in

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:18

cottonelle. United States, and now we have members that are

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:22

overseas as well. And, and it's growing through word of mouth

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:26

referral, we have not marketed online, we have not put this out

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:30

and prognosticated to everyone. And there's a reason for that,

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:34

too. We actually believe that like attracts like, and that

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:39

when you're resonating a certain frequency, people come to you,

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:42

it has been amazing to see the people that have gone, you know,

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:48

that is so different. Because they've been involved with so

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:51

many different like my shoe you, you've called in so many

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:54

different environments. And there's a formula for all say,

Chuck Hogan: 00:32:59

creating codependency. Yeah, yeah, that's good point. Yeah.

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:04

And we have chosen to eliminate codependency and cultivate

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:09

community.

Janice Porter: 00:33:12

So I'm going to shift again, because we have to

Janice Porter: 00:33:17

wrap up a little bit. But, but But it's interesting, and I find

Janice Porter: 00:33:21

what you're doing fascinating. And and I because I'm such a

Janice Porter: 00:33:26

person that loves people and relationships, I can see the

Janice Porter: 00:33:31

value of something like this. Is there a just out of curiosity?

Janice Porter: 00:33:36

Is there an age preference that seems to happen? No.

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:40

Oh, is that that's been the crazy part. In fact, we

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:43

have a couple of different programs, we actually have a

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:45

weekly or a monthly program, which is called the seventh

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:49

degree, which is for aspirational business folks who

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:52

are just starting off in their businesses. And when you

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:56

remember why well you get everything. So that's that's one

Chuck Hogan: 00:33:59

thing. The other thing is we do a weekly speaker spotlight, we

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:02

just had one this morning, and we use those four pillars of

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:05

focal information to bring on different people to share

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:09

insights, distinctions and faith, family fitness and

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:12

finance. And those are attended as well by the community. For

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:18

us, it's about sharing information that can move

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:23

everyone forward. But

Janice Porter: 00:34:25

it but it's not like some elder older people,

Janice Porter: 00:34:28

some younger people or in disease are a blended

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:31

community. We have folks that have newborns we have

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:34

folks that have great grandkids. Okay. Okay. That's cool. That's

Chuck Hogan: 00:34:38

the brain trust, because you're getting distinctions now.

Janice Porter: 00:34:43

Yeah. So I like to ask my my, my guests one

Janice Porter: 00:34:49

question. And we'll wrap up, maybe with one more little one

Janice Porter: 00:34:53

after that. And that is about my favorite word curiosity. So I

Janice Porter: 00:34:58

think I'm curious So it is kind of a cornerstone for me. And I'd

Janice Porter: 00:35:04

like to know two things. One, do you think it's innate? Or

Janice Porter: 00:35:09

learned? And part two, what are you most curious about these

Janice Porter: 00:35:13

days?

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:13

Thank you. Good, brilliant question. By the way,

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:17

I believe that we all have an innate curiosity, that we, by

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:22

our very nature, have been given the grace and gift of having

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:26

these different modalities of kinesthetic, auditory, visual,

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:31

olfactory, and gustatory. And these are all to feed our

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:33

sensory experience. But as human beings that are driven by

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:38

emotions and feelings, everything that we do,

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:41

everything we experience is to elicit emotions. And so my focus

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:46

now is really understanding. And in point of fact, I don't ask

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:50

people how they're doing. When you play this back, you'll see

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:55

if we've even if it came up in this conversation, as people are

Chuck Hogan: 00:35:57

feeling. And the difference in the distinction in a word is

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:02

that when you ask someone how they're doing, you're gonna get

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:03

a cognitive response, right? Feeling, it's really going to

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:07

the core essence of who they are and where they're living at that

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:10

time. When I think one

Janice Porter: 00:36:11

more piece to that would be, as well wait to

Janice Porter: 00:36:15

hear what they actually say and listen to their answer. To one

Janice Porter: 00:36:21

of the, and because often, you know, when someone asks that

Janice Porter: 00:36:26

question of you either question, how are you doing? Or how are

Janice Porter: 00:36:29

you feeling? And you actually answer them? They don't know

Janice Porter: 00:36:33

what to do with that. No, right. So there you go. Okay. And so

Janice Porter: 00:36:38

what are you curious about these days?

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:41

You know, I am curious about it. I've been

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:45

asked to write a book on this. So we'll see if this actually

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:47

comes to fruition. Modern masculinity.

Janice Porter: 00:36:50

Oh, interesting. Okay. Yeah, I can see that for

Janice Porter: 00:36:54

you.

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:54

Feminine perspective. Yes. Oh, to ask

Chuck Hogan: 00:36:57

your father as an example, who his role models were as far as

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:02

masculine and masculinity. He might say Spencer, Tracy

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:06

Humphrey Bogart, you know, Rock Hudson, before he came out after

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:13

he came out. If I were to ask my father in his generation, he

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:19

might go Tom Selleck. Sylvester Stallone, you know, Rocky

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:24

Balboa? Who else? Are some of the athletes at the time to like

Janice Porter: 00:37:30

Ross Garvey, Simpson? Oh, yeah.

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:34

Those were the star Joe name at the time. My

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:37

generation is kind of a strange one. Because there's, I say when

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:42

you look at masculinity, like we grew up during the time of

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:45

action movies, and so you go John Claude Van Damme. Arnold

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:49

Schwarzenegger,

Janice Porter: 00:37:51

Vin Diesel. Well, he has I guess he's worn out.

Janice Porter: 00:37:55

Yeah.

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:56

Right. Or at the time because it was so

Chuck Hogan: 00:37:59

revolutionary, like Baywatch. So David Hasselhoff and you're like

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:03

God, like really as like a when it first came out, everyone was

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:07

glued to the television set. Especially when he was a night

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:10

writer. So why do I go there for my son? Millennials xennials.

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:16

Look at it from the standpoint of worthy causes. And they go

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:21

Oh, Ilan, Maya and Rannells. Yeah. The people that are

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:24

influencing and changing the world and taking mammoth action,

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:27

and it's like, and they're doing their forces for good. It's not

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:31

just the money that comes with it. And what they're seeing is

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:34

that with worthy causes, you can make a ton of money. You know,

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:37

who takes on the automotive industry? Well, Elon, and by the

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:40

way, NASA at the same time. Yeah. Okay.

Janice Porter: 00:38:44

Yeah, he's an he's an enigma, though. Really?

Janice Porter: 00:38:47

He is.

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:48

You really is. And? And that's where you go? Is he

Chuck Hogan: 00:38:51

insane? Or ingenious? Yeah, I know. I go. Probably a little.

Janice Porter: 00:38:56

Yeah, exactly. A bit of both. Yeah. So lots of

Janice Porter: 00:38:59

fun, we could can carry on this conversation for a long time. So

Janice Porter: 00:39:02

I like that idea of that book. I think it's interesting. It's

Janice Porter: 00:39:06

funny, I thought you were gonna say that one of their role

Janice Porter: 00:39:09

models was somebody who had like, transitioned or something,

Janice Porter: 00:39:12

because that's happening now to all the time, right, you know,

Janice Porter: 00:39:15

so who knows? And, and there's some actually really interesting

Janice Porter: 00:39:19

role models there, too, you know, yeah. So we'll, we'll save

Janice Porter: 00:39:24

that for another time. So thank you. Thank you so much for being

Janice Porter: 00:39:27

on the show. Thank you for sharing about you and your

Janice Porter: 00:39:30

community. And I guess one last thought, What would you like to

Janice Porter: 00:39:35

leave with my audience as maybe it could be a business thought

Janice Porter: 00:39:39

or just, you know, philosophical thought for

Chuck Hogan: 00:39:43

a prefer to go philosophical and that is, be a

Chuck Hogan: 00:39:47

little kinder to yourself today. In the pursuit of change and

Chuck Hogan: 00:39:54

self improvement, we oftentimes are finding fault so that way we

Chuck Hogan: 00:39:58

can move towards something that we Can Fix. And I'll just

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:02

propose, what if you're not broken? What if by you just

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:07

living in this beautiful space of who you are, and honoring

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:10

those around you and yourself, that you can grow, to where you

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:16

deserve the best of you, and so as your family and not what's

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:19

left to view it's something that changed my life about 20 years

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:24

ago. And I can tell you, that when it comes up, and I get Uber

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:27

busy, and we all do, slow down, just slow down, take a moment

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:32

and breathe. And ask yourself how you need to feel most often

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:35

today. And dedicate your time and your intention to that for

Chuck Hogan: 00:40:39

just that day and see how you feel at the end of the day.

Janice Porter: 00:40:41

Nice. Thank you. Thank you, Chuck. Thank you for

Janice Porter: 00:40:44

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Janice Porter: 00:40:46

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