Intimate Empowerment: Anne Zuckerman’s Bezi®Bra Disc Story | RR254

Janice Porter: 00:00:01

Hello everyone and welcome to relationships

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rule. I am so excited today to have as my guest, my new friend,

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I hope I can call her my new friend. And Zuckerman and Anne

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is coming to us all the way from Philadelphia area. And first of

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all, welcome to the show. And

Anne Zuckerman: 00:00:20

oh, thank you so much for having me. This is

Anne Zuckerman: 00:00:23

absolutely wonderful. Well, it's

Janice Porter: 00:00:25

my pleasure. And and I actually met online of

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course, on a podcast, Power Hour that common our mutual friend of

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ours runs and, you know, you see all these faces on the screen,

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and you kind of hear a few people talk and I kind of knew

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right away I wanted to know more about and and so when we

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reconnected after that, and we have become fast friends, which

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I love. So and is really a multi entrepreneur, I mean, a multi

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printer, as I think we call it, she has had several businesses.

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She too is a podcaster, which I love. And we'll talk about all

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of this, but I want to start with really her story, which

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goes back to the firt, the main company that she started called

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Aegis Inc. And the first question I had, of course is who

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is EDA? And that's where the story starts. So And will you

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share that story with us? Because it's there's so many

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little gems in it that I want people to know.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:01:31

Oh, thank you so much for asking. Yes, my company

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is eat us. And or eat us Incorporated. I'm sorry, I'm

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having can, cause. Thank you so much for asking. I love my

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story, because it started with my mom. My mom was Edith. And

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she was trained in design and corset making. She came to the

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United States from Hungary and opened a lingerie shop. And as

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much as I tried to get away from it, I ended up joining her in

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the store. As she was working with my grandmother, my

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grandmother passed away, and I hopped in. So I learned the

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lingerie business, because she was trained in design and corset

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making. She did alterations. So if someone came in and needed a

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special bra for a dress, and needed, the straps changed, or

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needed, the back changed, needed to be taken in, she would just

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go in the back and fix it. And but she was hurt. She was old

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school, European, I don't have to teach you how to do it, I

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just have to show you and you have to learn. And so that was

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my training. She sat down at the sewing machine. And I was

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expected to know how to do all of this. And in fact, I did

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learn I used to shorten robes and night gowns and taken bras

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and adjust straps. And then I eventually became a mastectomy

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fitter. So that's where everything started. And then of

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course, everything in life changed. We moved into computer

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software and automated systems. And a friend of mine. We had a

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billing system that was done by my grandfather, he would hand

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write bills every month. So we had house accounts. Yeah, men

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would come in and purchase their night gowns and ropes and bras.

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And they would say charge it. And he would write them a bill

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at the end of the month, and they would pay and he and my

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grandmother passed away my grandfather became quite

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elderly, and it was a burden for him. And I knew that we could

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computerize the system, we could automate. And a friend of mine

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knew how to do that came to the store. And he created a program

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for me. And this is way back in the early 90s. And so it was all

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code. And as soon as he left the store, I changed the coat was

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awful. But anyway, so that's where I started because I just

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had to put my finger in every single pot to see what would

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work and what didn't work. And so That's where my journey

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began. And then a my mother, we had incorporated the business my

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mother passed away. And that's when I said, the world is my

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oyster. And I can do whatever I want. And I'm going to go for

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it. Okay, so

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I'm going to stop you there for a second before we

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get to the next phase. Because what I didn't realize until you

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told this story just now, because I knew the story, but

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the details that you just mentioned, I can't believe how

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similar that is to my background, because my

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grandmother, who actually came from Russia, but she lived in

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England, my grandmother was a seamstress, and an alteration

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is, and she was a she beaded, she sewed sequins and things

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like that on dresses, and so on. And so she taught my mom how to

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do all of that. And she made us little beautiful dresses, my

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sister and I that were matching all the time. And, but she died

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sadly at like 56 or something from breast cancer, of course,

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back in those days. But my mother, when we moved to Canada,

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started as a seamstress in the back of a high end women's

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clothing store. And my father was a clothing manufacturer. So

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I grew up all around this, this and I was a saint, I learned how

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to sew and so on. And so it just took me aback when you when you

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told that story because I get it. And it also reminded me of

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the book. Outliers. Have you read that book? Yeah, yeah. And

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how? What's his name? The guy. The guy that wrote it?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:06:46

I can see it in front of me. Oh, same here.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:06:48

Anyway,

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we'll get back to that. But he talks about how you

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know, the the Jews came over from the old country. And that's

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what they knew. So that's how they moved forward in America,

Janice Porter: 00:07:01

right? Was the hours and hours and hours of things that like

Janice Porter: 00:07:05

they could only so or they could Yeah, anyway, it's just kind of

Janice Porter: 00:07:08

fantastic to me. So I'm still trying to remember his name.

Janice Porter: 00:07:14

It's not Daniel Pink. It's the other one and I get them.

Janice Porter: 00:07:17

Anyway, okay, so now you had inherited this store, basically,

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in this business. And now you had, how did the idea come to

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you to start your piece of that business, which was which is

Janice Porter: 00:07:32

bezzie broad discs, and a little bit about that entrepreneur?

Janice Porter: 00:07:36

funereal journey is how you made it happen, which I think is

Janice Porter: 00:07:39

really karma. And things happen for a reason, type of thing. So

Janice Porter: 00:07:42

tell me about that.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:07:44

Well, I had seen a product. And in the back of my

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mind, I remember the day so vividly, I was thinking I could

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do better than that. And I, it just so happened, I was single

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at the time. And I went on a singles hike on the Appalachian

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Trail of all places. And there were quite a few of us. And we

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stopped for lunch. And a whole bunch of people went swimming, I

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sat on a rock was just observing. And after lunch, we

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all got up and started walking again. And I happened to be

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standing next to a young man. And I casually said, and what do

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you do? And he said, he was an industrial design engineer. And

Anne Zuckerman: 00:08:38

I said, What does that mean? Then he said that he designed

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different parts of for things like vacuum cleaners or spray

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bottles, or he designed at one point he designed the drip

Anne Zuckerman: 00:09:00

section of for hospital IV connections, goodness, yeah. And

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I thought, Oh, how interesting. And I casually said I've seen

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something and I think I can do better. Can you help me? Yeah.

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And he said, Well, I don't know. Let's Let's meet. So we did. And

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I showed him what I had seen and I and we talked about it. And

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the two of us came up with a plan and a design. He had

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connections and I took everything that I had inherited

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and met with patent attorney and then we discussed up pro rotate

Anne Zuckerman: 00:10:00

mold, which was aluminum. From the prototype mold, I eventually

Anne Zuckerman: 00:10:07

moved into a true production mold. Wow. And then years later

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moved into the mold that I currently use, which is a double

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cavity injection mold that's made of steel. It's a 500 pound

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steel mold that's housed at a manufacturing facility in New

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Jersey, which is the exciting part. The exciting part of all

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of this is that I have a product that's manufactured here in the

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United States,

Janice Porter: 00:10:43

which is amazing.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:10:46

Yeah, and that's, that's the exciting

Anne Zuckerman: 00:10:49

part. The exciting part is that anything is possible.

Janice Porter: 00:10:53

Well, you didn't know what you how to do what you

Janice Porter: 00:10:55

wanted to do. You had a vision, right? true entrepreneur, you

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had a vision. How's it going to happen? You didn't think about

Janice Porter: 00:11:02

how you just wanted to make it happen. Right? And that's,

Janice Porter: 00:11:07

that's today there. You know, we use that term entrepreneurial,

Janice Porter: 00:11:11

so lightly, not I'm not as an entrepreneur compared to you

Janice Porter: 00:11:15

because you really truly had that vision. And I think that's

Janice Porter: 00:11:18

a true entrepreneur Gladwell, Malcolm Gladwell. Just came to,

Janice Porter: 00:11:27

oh, my God. And you knew it. I love that. Yes. Yeah, yes, I

Janice Porter: 00:11:32

couldn't get away from it. Okay, so now you've got a new product,

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you have an you're in the digital age, and now you have to

Janice Porter: 00:11:42

figure out how to do online shopping and all of that good

Janice Porter: 00:11:45

stuff. Right? as well. So long. So how long into that business?

Janice Porter: 00:11:52

Did you start podcasting? Did you start, you know, networking,

Janice Porter: 00:11:58

all of that good stuff.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:12:01

Well, what happened was Okay, so now I had

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a product, right. And in the meantime, my mother was great at

Anne Zuckerman: 00:12:09

business, but she hadn't bought the building. So I ended up

Anne Zuckerman: 00:12:12

having to close her business. So now I was fully invested in my

Anne Zuckerman: 00:12:18

bezzie broughtest business, right, but I needed to learn

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marketing, but I needed to learn marketing in this new age of

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digital. And so I looked around, and I said, Okay, fine, what can

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I do? And that led me on this crazy road that I've been on, of

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learning about funnels and software, and how to market and

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where people can find me and all of that. Most, so much of

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business these days is done through social media. I know.

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And social media has been a challenge of mine to say the

Anne Zuckerman: 00:13:00

least for

Janice Porter: 00:13:01

me, too. Yeah, I don't love it. So.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:13:06

But I always have my options open. And I'm

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always looking to see what I can absorb, where information is

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going to come from. And I truly believe that we all get gifts on

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a daily basis. The question is if we're open to receiving them,

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so I knew nothing about podcasts, nothing. And there was

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one podcast host that I had been introduced to. I listened to all

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of his podcasts. And I thought that was great, but never gave

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it another thought. I certainly didn't want to be a podcast

Anne Zuckerman: 00:13:51

host. Oh, you didn't

Janice Porter: 00:13:53

know No at all? No.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:13:55

But I saw the opportunity to be a guest. Yes.

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So I said, Okay, fine. So I will be a guest on podcasts. And that

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will be my way of marketing without having to tackle the

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whole issue of social media, Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn,

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all of that. I'll just be a podcast guest. Yeah. And I

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happened to go to a networking meeting. And the presenter at

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this particular meeting was a lady who I had met a few years

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before. And at that time, she was managing director of a

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networking organization. She had not started in podcasting yet.

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But when she spoke at the networking event, she had she

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had opened a podcast School, a school to train podcast hosts,

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right. So I called her up because I knew her and I said,

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Listen, I I don't want to be a host I want to be guest. Can you

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help me? And she said, not really what I do, but my school

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is opening on Monday. I said, Okay, I have nothing to lose,

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I'll just sign up for the school. That way, I will learn

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what podcasting is all about a learn how to be a better guest.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:15:21

Right? And that'll be that. And I started the school and she

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said, and in 28 days, it's now 30 days, but in 28 days, you

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will have a podcast. And I said, But but But you said No buts. In

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28 days, you will have a podcast and I said, but But what if and

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she said there are no what ifs? In 28 days, you'll have a

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podcast. And 20 days later, I had a podcast, and then

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discovered that I absolutely love podcasts and podcasting and

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:05

being a host. Yeah. It is truly a passion of mine. I love

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:12

meeting people. I have loved every single guest I've had on

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:16

my podcast. I've learned something from everyone. And

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:22

being a serial entrepreneur. For me. It's like kidney candy box.

Janice Porter: 00:16:26

Yeah. Yeah. And I love it. And your podcast is

Janice Porter: 00:16:30

called just wanted to ask. So how did that come to be?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:36

Well, I, as I said, I was a big fan of

Anne Zuckerman: 00:16:39

someone's podcast, and what some how in passing. He said, just

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wanted to ask and I said, That's it. That's the name of my

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podcast, just wanted to ask. And I interview entrepreneurs like

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myself, coaches, consultants, and authors. And what I do on my

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podcast is promote other people's businesses, because

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that's what I have a passion for. I love helping people do

Anne Zuckerman: 00:17:18

the same thing I did get out there on a bigger stage and a

Anne Zuckerman: 00:17:21

bigger platform. So

Janice Porter: 00:17:23

have you ever thought, and I'm just listening

Janice Porter: 00:17:27

to our episode, actually, that I, you kindly had me on your

Janice Porter: 00:17:30

podcast, a month, last month. And, and you are a great host?

Janice Porter: 00:17:35

It's you can tell that you love it. So that's kind of the fun

Janice Porter: 00:17:39

thing I do, too. I love interviewing people, because I

Janice Porter: 00:17:42

love finding out more about people. We're both really

Janice Porter: 00:17:44

curious people, I just know it. And have you have you ever

Janice Porter: 00:17:50

thought of having another like sideline, which is helping

Janice Porter: 00:17:55

entrepreneurs, coaching entrepreneurs, or however you're

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training them, whatever you would make that be? Because

Janice Porter: 00:18:02

you've been you've been that person that takes the leap that

Janice Porter: 00:18:05

that something I don't have that that would is it's like, it's

Janice Porter: 00:18:11

trust, it's trusting in them in the process or trusting in the

Janice Porter: 00:18:15

that it's going to work, right? You're a positive person, and

Janice Porter: 00:18:18

you just think, well, I'm going to invest. I know something's

Janice Porter: 00:18:21

good is gonna happen. Have you thought about that? I have.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:18:25

And I've certainly had people ask me a

Anne Zuckerman: 00:18:28

lot of questions. I love answering people's questions,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:18:32

and helping in whatever way I can. And connecting people with

Anne Zuckerman: 00:18:36

other people as you do. We both like connecting people with

Anne Zuckerman: 00:18:43

whatever information we can share. And it's and you've

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introduced me to this whole other aspects of relationship

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building. So, yeah, I love doing that. Have I put together a

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:04

program yet? No. But it's not beyond my imagination. Or,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:14

because I don't know where life will take me tomorrow.

Janice Porter: 00:19:18

Right? I was just that your new the new piece has

Janice Porter: 00:19:23

to be a play on just wanted to ask. And really, like did you

Janice Porter: 00:19:28

ever want to ask or something? You know, something like that?

Janice Porter: 00:19:31

Yeah. And kind of fun.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:34

It's crazy. Recently, I've talked I've

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:37

spoken with friends of mine. And you know, there's this concept

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:42

of chasing squirrels. Oh, yeah. I know when running after shiny

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:47

objects. And some of my friends have thought that that's what I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:19:54

did. I was just chasing, chasing shiny objects without thought

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:00

But, and it's taken me a number of years. But now, in hindsight,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:07

if I look back, and it's always 2020. Looking back, I realized

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:13

that in many ways, it was strategic. Everything that I've

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:17

done, since my mother's passing has led me along a path, a path

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:26

of learning, and a path of growing and expanding. And I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:30

think that's what I truly, truly appreciate most about what life

Anne Zuckerman: 00:20:35

has to offer, especially now.

Janice Porter: 00:20:38

So I did read that your dad had said something

Janice Porter: 00:20:41

about you not going to university, you're not going to

Janice Porter: 00:20:44

college. And, and I think your mom said, he just didn't want to

Janice Porter: 00:20:48

pay for it. Right. And it's funny because my mom didn't get

Janice Porter: 00:20:55

to have a, an advanced education. And she was a

Janice Porter: 00:21:00

lifelong learner. And she was passionate about learning

Janice Porter: 00:21:05

different things. And as she became well, I don't think it

Janice Porter: 00:21:08

happened, really, until she became a widow. But then she

Janice Porter: 00:21:12

started going and taking courses and learning about things. And,

Janice Porter: 00:21:15

and so for you, you didn't go to college? I don't think right,

Janice Porter: 00:21:19

but you started to do other things that taught you along the

Janice Porter: 00:21:23

way. Is that correct? Yeah,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:25

I did go to I did go to a junior college.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:28

Okay. Okay. Um, I felt that I wasn't able to come play for

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:36

years. Okay. Um, it frightened me and in in saying that my

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:43

parents were divorced. So you get 111 piece of advice from one

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:52

side? And then you have other input from the other side? Yeah.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:21:57

And because my parents were all immigrants, yeah. They didn't

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:01

really understand what that part of the US was all about, because

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:10

they had gone to school in Europe. And so it was a totally

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:15

different system. Of course, of course. And so for me,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:21

everything was pretty new. If I had to do all over again, would

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:26

I have gone farther? Possibly.

Janice Porter: 00:22:30

Well, what was it that frightened you? You said

Janice Porter: 00:22:32

you were scared to go further?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:35

Well, part of it was I really didn't think that I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:37

was going to do well. Okay. Okay. And then I also didn't

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:43

know what I wanted to be when I grew up. Yeah, there's that too,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:46

right. So yeah, it's all. Now when I was a junior college, I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:52

did major in retailing. That's what it was called, then not

Anne Zuckerman: 00:22:56

marketing, but retailing. And I did learn about business and

Anne Zuckerman: 00:23:03

brick and mortar. Yes.

Janice Porter: 00:23:04

Okay. You know, it's interesting, if you had it

Janice Porter: 00:23:08

to do again today, in today's world, would you go to

Janice Porter: 00:23:13

university?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:23:15

It's an interesting question. I'm not

Anne Zuckerman: 00:23:17

sure I know,

Janice Porter: 00:23:18

because I've changing my tune on it as well.

Janice Porter: 00:23:21

I mean, I grew up with a father who had come from England, who

Janice Porter: 00:23:26

had been in the war and didn't get to go to university, and he

Janice Porter: 00:23:29

was really smart and should have, but there was no money to

Janice Porter: 00:23:33

do that. And the war was on. So all I ever heard my sister and I

Janice Porter: 00:23:37

was you're going to university, you're going to university

Janice Porter: 00:23:39

because he didn't get to write. So we went to university. And

Janice Porter: 00:23:43

that was the thing to do back then. And then it's changed. Now

Janice Porter: 00:23:49

I believe so much. And I have one daughter that would go to

Janice Porter: 00:23:56

school for her whole life if she could, she loves learning, and

Janice Porter: 00:23:59

she loved being at university. But she went away and traveled

Janice Porter: 00:24:01

and she came back and she finished. And when she came

Janice Porter: 00:24:04

back, I said, we're done. If you go back, you're on your own,

Janice Porter: 00:24:07

right. So she did. And she finished university. The other

Janice Porter: 00:24:10

one hated school, the only reason she was in college was to

Janice Porter: 00:24:15

play basketball, and she never graduated. And it was like, at

Janice Porter: 00:24:18

first devastating to me that she didn't finish. I felt I hadn't

Janice Porter: 00:24:22

done my job. But I don't feel that way. Now. I think that that

Janice Porter: 00:24:25

wasn't meant for her and she had to learn in different ways. So,

Janice Porter: 00:24:29

you know, it's not the stigma anymore for me that I thought it

Janice Porter: 00:24:32

was back then. And I don't know if I today. I don't know if I

Janice Porter: 00:24:37

push it as much. Get out there and learn about

Anne Zuckerman: 00:24:39

life. Yeah, you're right. It was a stigma

Anne Zuckerman: 00:24:42

for me too, for many, many years. And then all of a sudden,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:24:48

I looked around and said, but look at all these really, really

Anne Zuckerman: 00:24:51

successful people who don't have a degree. Exactly. And I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:24:55

thought, okay, fine, there's possibility for me, and then I I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:00

heard a gentleman named Alex scharffen. Speak. And he's

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:05

written a very small, thin book entitled e p t, the

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:10

entrepreneurial personality type. Oh. And when I heard him

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:16

speak, I just I cried, I absolutely cried. Because he was

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:23

speaking about me, let that growing up. He always felt like

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:31

he was on the outside. And I realized that as much as I love

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:39

learning, I'm not great at sitting in a classroom, I will

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:43

listen to lectures. For hours, I will listen to podcasts for

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:49

hours. But to be in a, an, to be in a classroom, and confined

Anne Zuckerman: 00:25:57

with one subject of that seems daunting for my brain. Okay. So

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:07

I can't say that I haven't had an amazing education. Exactly,

Janice Porter: 00:26:12

exactly. So what's your goal for your

Janice Porter: 00:26:16

podcast? Because I know that you've just returned from a

Janice Porter: 00:26:20

podcast conference, and you're pretty pumped up. Do you have

Janice Porter: 00:26:23

new goals for your podcast now? Well,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:27

I've my podcast has passed the 100 episodes.

Janice Porter: 00:26:33

I was episode 100. I know I'm excited. Yes,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:37

we should have celebrated. Yeah, well, we still

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:40

can. Yes. Okay. So I passed the 100. Mark. So that is certainly

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:46

an achievement. Absolutely. And I am interviewing some

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:52

absolutely amazing people. So in terms of a goal, I'm just happy

Anne Zuckerman: 00:26:59

to, to have interview after interview after interview. And

Anne Zuckerman: 00:27:04

as I said, it's like Christmas day, every day that I interview

Anne Zuckerman: 00:27:08

someone, because I never know what I'll learn and who I get to

Anne Zuckerman: 00:27:13

meet. Yeah, that's

Janice Porter: 00:27:14

so true. So many fun things that happen from I

Janice Porter: 00:27:18

actually got a very strange, or I'll tell you about it offline.

Janice Porter: 00:27:23

But somebody new that I met in the podcasting world, and it

Janice Porter: 00:27:27

sort of opened another, another door. And that happens all the

Janice Porter: 00:27:29

time, which is really kind of fun. So I know that you are I

Janice Porter: 00:27:35

already know that you're a curious person. And I always

Janice Porter: 00:27:39

like to ask a couple of quick questions of my guests. And one

Janice Porter: 00:27:44

of them is my curiosity question, which is, you know, do

Janice Porter: 00:27:47

you believe that curiosity is innate? Or learned? And part

Janice Porter: 00:27:52

two, what are you most curious about right now?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:27:56

Is it innate or learned?

Janice Porter: 00:28:00

Just so you know, yeah.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:03

I think people can learn. I think people can

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:07

learn that. For me, it was innate, but dormant. Ah, I did

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:12

not realize as a child, that it that I had a gift of being

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:21

curious. As children, sometimes we just don't see what's around

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:27

us. We think that the gifts that we have, everyone has, but they

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:32

don't. Correct. Yeah. And so people are amazed to that. I, I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:40

love learning about software. I love learning about technology.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:43

I love learning about all sorts of topics like marketing. And as

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:50

I get older, that hasn't deterred me, I'm still

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:55

interested, I still want to learn. And so and people are

Anne Zuckerman: 00:28:59

surprised by that. And I'm surprised when people don't have

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:04

that.

Janice Porter: 00:29:05

I know me too. I agree. And are you do well, I

Janice Porter: 00:29:10

know you love podcasts. And do you read as well? Are you a

Janice Porter: 00:29:13

reader like real books or ebooks or what do you like? Or do you

Janice Porter: 00:29:17

watch things? Well,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:19

I have discovered that I learned best

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:22

by listening. Okay, and it was really interesting. I had some

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:27

visual issues growing up, which I didn't realize I had. When I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:34

got my first Kindle, I realized that when I enlarge the print,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:38

it was so much easier for me to read. Which I also didn't I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:44

didn't know as a child. So that opened one door and then when I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:50

discovered audible, that opened another huge door. So I love

Anne Zuckerman: 00:29:57

listening to books on audible and when And I drive I mostly

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:01

listen to business books. Yeah. So that's why I've listened to

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:06

Gladwell, and I've listened to other people, because those are

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:09

the kinds of books that I love listening to in the car. Now,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:15

because I'm in the podcast space, I do listen to podcasts

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:19

when I'm not driving. Yeah, I listened

Janice Porter: 00:30:21

to, I'm not driving as much as I used to. So

Janice Porter: 00:30:24

I have to find I have to go for a walk and listen to a podcast

Janice Porter: 00:30:27

as well. So yeah, so that's great. Well, this has been so

Janice Porter: 00:30:31

much fun. And I want to ask, one last question in sent in the

Janice Porter: 00:30:38

sense of my audience is probably very similar to yours. It's

Janice Porter: 00:30:44

entrepreneurs. It's small business owners, it's

Janice Porter: 00:30:46

commissioned salespeople, it speakers authors, what piece of

Janice Porter: 00:30:51

advice would you share with them that you think keeps you going?

Anne Zuckerman: 00:30:57

What keeps me going, or that you've

Janice Porter: 00:30:59

learned that stays with you, you know, that

Janice Porter: 00:31:02

you've learned a long time ago.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:05

There's always more to learn. And everything,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:10

there's so much that comes around again, I met you and we

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:14

talked about relationships. And that was a part of my life that

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:19

I wasn't paying enough attention to. And through meeting you, I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:26

have upped my game. I know, I love it. That's great. And so

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:32

again, I have no idea what doors open. But plus, I think, and

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:41

I'll share this as well. And that is that for many years,

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:46

people saw network marketing as not something wonderful. But in

Anne Zuckerman: 00:31:55

today's world, network marketing companies can teach you so much

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:03

about marketing and how to do business the right way. And I

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:10

think that's one of the main lessons, I've learned that

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:13

there's just so much information out there, also within the

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:18

network marketing community, because companies are large, and

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:24

they keep up with everything current. It's not like going to

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:29

a class where you don't know what kind of business the

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:35

professor has worked in, or where they are in their

Anne Zuckerman: 00:32:40

business. So the possibilities are endless. Oh,

Janice Porter: 00:32:46

for sure. And we haven't even talked about that,

Janice Porter: 00:32:47

because I'm a network marketer. And I love that industry. And I

Janice Porter: 00:32:51

think not only does it teach you about business, it teaches you

Janice Porter: 00:32:54

about yourself. There's a lot of personal development involved in

Janice Porter: 00:32:57

being a network marketer, for sure. So yes, maybe that'll be

Janice Porter: 00:33:03

next time. We'll just talk about that. So thank you again, for

Janice Porter: 00:33:06

being on the show. And it was a delight. And people can find you

Janice Porter: 00:33:11

where, and I will put it in the show notes.

Anne Zuckerman: 00:33:14

But my podcast is just wanted to ask.com it can

Anne Zuckerman: 00:33:20

be found on iTunes, Amazon, and Spotify. My product is that

Anne Zuckerman: 00:33:27

bezzie be easy. I woman.com. Right. And again, and things

Anne Zuckerman: 00:33:34

like that. Right. Right. And on both websites, there's lots of

Anne Zuckerman: 00:33:38

information about me as well. Awesome.

Janice Porter: 00:33:41

Thank you again, thank you so much. And thank you

Janice Porter: 00:33:44

to my audience for listening as usual. If you liked what you

Janice Porter: 00:33:47

heard, please leave a review. We always love that it helps the

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