Trevor Turnbull’s Wake-Up Call: Why Hustling Wasn’t Working | RR322

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Steve, hi everyone, and welcome to this

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week's episode of relationships rule. Today's guest Trevor

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Turnbull has spent the last 20 years launching bold startups,

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scaling a seven figure agency, and guiding others to build

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businesses rooted in purpose and alignment. What sets Trevor

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apart isn't just his entrepreneurial track record.

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It's his belief that most business problems are actually

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personal problems in disguise. In this episode, we explore how

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Trevor helps coaches, consultants, consultants and

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creative founders realign their inner world so their business

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reflects who they really are. If you've ever felt like your

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business is a grind, or that success on paper feels empty,

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then this conversation is for you. Welcome to the show.

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Trevor,

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yeah, thanks, Janice, I'm looking forward to

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this conversation.

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You know, I looked up on my LinkedIn when we

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first connected, and it was in April of 2014 Oh, wow, nine

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years ago, right? That's nine years ago. Is that 666? It's

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more than that. Yeah, 25 right now? 20 Yeah, yeah, 11 years

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ago, yeah. So

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five years into the LinkedIn game at that point

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then, but it was very early,

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yes, and I was just getting into it, and it's

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just, and we both were in Vancouver, and I'm, I know, met

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you at a networking event that you were putting on or

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something. And, yeah, it's just a long lot of water under the

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bridge since then. And if I be, if I can be honest here, I mean,

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I'm always being honest. But the fact that we just reconnected on

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LinkedIn again, which is really cool. I think you've, um, you've

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done a lot of things. You've moved and moved away and moved

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somewhere else. And so what brought you, what's your journey

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to now from when I knew you, like, give me the short version

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of how your life changed?

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Yeah. Well, you know the the LinkedIn side of

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this, I guess I would start with that you're very heavily using

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LinkedIn back in those early days, creating training programs

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around them, doing presentations and speeches and whatnot. That

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was how we got connected. And I learned a lot from you back

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then. I remember, yeah, yeah, well, and it was, it was fairly

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new to a lot of people. There was, you know, those were the

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days when a couple 100 million people was no big deal, right?

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Because books of the world were hitting billions of people. But

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it's, it's evolved over the years, and obviously that's been

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kind of a part of my journey, even too, if I was to condense,

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like, the last 10 years, it's been everything from, kind of

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how you said in the introduction, you know, I built

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up an agency that supported people with LinkedIn lead

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generation and as well as expanded beyond the LinkedIn

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platform and included sales enablement and everything else

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and and then I went through the process of actually packaging up

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and selling a business, which was completely foreign to me,

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until somebody said, Would you be interested in selling your

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business. And I said, I don't know, maybe sounds my business.

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So that was a huge learning curve, and lots of lessons and

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pains along the way with that one. But you know, around 2021

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when you were referencing that we had moved away. We moved our

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family to Costa Rica in 2022 I believe it was 2020 2023 2022 23

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and then we went to Mexico the next year. And now we're

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actually back in Canada in our home in West Kelowna. But, you

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know, I hit a point where I basically, you know, for lack of

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better term, I said that I was burnt out, right? I just the

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Zoom meetings and sales conversations and the just the

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hustle mentality of entrepreneurship caught up to me

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finally, after about 15 years, and when you think about that,

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that's a long time to be in that kind of really high strung Yeah,

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I can go create whatever I want, and I was proving it to myself.

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So therefore it was tough to quit. It was like, and we all

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know that, like, workaholic workaholism is, is an accepted,

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you know, addiction in today's world, exactly, yeah, and I

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honestly could say that's like I was addicted to just the next

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thing, the next idea, the next launch, the next the next bit of

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revenue, whatever it was, right? The next client, success story.

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And I hit a point where I thought I got to get out of

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this.

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Can you just stop there for a second? I don't know

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this about you. Were you ever in corporate?

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Not really. Okay, so

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you always were entrepreneurial. Then, yeah, I

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had a sales job the first two years out of

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university, from like 2003 to 2005

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sports. No, was it? She was sports.

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And then I had a stint there from like 2009 to

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2012 where I had a sports social media consulting company, yeah,

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yeah. And ran a sports recruiting age. See as well with

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Lewis Howes and, yeah, yeah, I've worn a lot of hats, and

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I've started a lot of different things.

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So having, I asked that for a reason, because

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if you've always been the hustler, you know, you knew how

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to make money for yourself, and you, you saw an opportunity, or

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you, you know, made a few mistakes along the way, but

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you've always really worked for yourself other than that first

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couple of years. That's a different mentality than people

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who've come from corporate, right?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:05:32

Oh, absolutely, yeah. And it's, you know, I

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don't even know exactly if there was one particular thing that

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kind of set me down this path. There was, there was moments

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along the way, you know, like, I remember when I got my marketing

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degree, because I did actually go to school and get a degree.

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Yeah, okay, never used it, but,

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oh, I'm sure you've used it.

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I'm sure I used it with lots of other major

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benefits, including the entrepreneurship class that I

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took in university. Actually, they even had them back. Then

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they did, yeah, and now that I say that out loud, that was

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probably the first little stint of, like, spark of interest, of,

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oh, I can just come up with an idea and just go create

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something, and all I need to do is really come up with a very

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compelling pitch deck and get in front of the right people. And,

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you know, in this case, it was like, you know, be able to raise

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money. This was a competition thing that I did in university.

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But yeah, so the spark was there early, I guess. But yeah, the

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corporate world, I don't think it ever really attracted me.

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Even coming out of university, all of my friends went off to

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agencies and stuff, working for big companies and marketing

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departments, trying to climb the ladder. And I just went straight

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into sales, and kind of got taught old school by a guy who

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had been doing it for 30 years, pick up the phone book, scan

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through the Yellow Pages. You know, that kind of dates my age

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right now. But yeah, so it's, it's been a lifetime of of

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entrepreneurship, and with that comes all of those right

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conditionings, I guess you would say, which is kind of related to

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what you started with here too. You know, it's very easy to

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become addicted to this idea that you need more ideas and you

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need to launch the next thing and keep growing, growing,

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growing, growing, but then the argument is always at what cost,

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right? And I've had enough breakdowns over the years,

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physically, relationships financially, that I've started

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to just see this in a different lights. And you know what

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was? What was the moment when you realize that

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alignment mattered more than achievement?

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Oh, wow. I think there's been a lot of

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points along the way, but I would even say, in that time

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period, around 2021 when I left the company that I had sold my

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business to, I did a hard pivot. It was like a straight 180 it

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was, I'm going to stop doing this. And I don't know what I'm

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going to do next, but I'm going to lean into asking the

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questions about what I should do next.

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Is that when you moved away, that's when

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you moved away, right before we moved away.

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So was that pivot? Was that like important

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to this story? In that by moving to Costa Rica, you're in a whole

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new environment, you can is the life and and

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it was a that was a piece of it, right?

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Because there was a part of me that at that time was just

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really like, like, I say burnt out, right? It's like, again, I

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don't even like using that term, because what is that? It's like,

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well, you're not interested in what you're doing. You know,

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like, your habits don't match the kind of life that you think

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you should be living, that type of thing. But the move to Costa

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Rica was part of a plan to want to be able to just live in

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different countries, and it was always part of the vision. In

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fact, I read a book in like 2009 it was the Lonely Planet story.

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Can't remember the exact title right now, but that vision was

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planted back then of, oh, you know, you mean I can create a

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business that I can actually do from the beach, which is not

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realistic,

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yeah, the the the biggest money earner in the

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company that I'm with, send out cards, which you're familiar

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with. He wrote a book called beach money, and that's his

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whole thing. Is beach money. And he has literally have places all

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over the world, but, but, yeah, you want to be able to earn a

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living by from the beach. It's beautiful concept, if you like

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the beach. But anyway,

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totally Yeah, and I've, and I've, and it's

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kind of shaped my beliefs on that too, now that we that the

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beach and I've ran my business remotely, in different in

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varying ways, and stuff like, I have a different relationship to

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it and and more so in the context of, do I need to be

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somewhere else in order to actually feel fulfilled and to

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build the business that could be done from the beach? Or can I be

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here right now and be good with it? Or can you stick me in the

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mountains in Alaska and still. Be good with myself. And these

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were much bigger questions than just, how do I make money while

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I'm, you know, drinking margaritas type thing, right?

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Yeah. But no, at that time, the big thing that I was like, I was

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going deep on the questionings of life, really. So,

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did you have a, if I may ask, and you don't have

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to answer, did you have a breakdown, or did you just come

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to a, you know, Hail Mary kind of come to Jesus moment, if that

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I'm not even Christian, so ignore that whole comment. But

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you know what I mean? Like, did something

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just, yeah, it was a combination of a bunch of

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things, but the the work, like the extra stress that I was

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feeling with the work side of things, and just the load of

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being remote and kind of disconnected, like speaking

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about relationships, you know, every conversation I had was

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through a zoom conversation, right? And that started to

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really kind of get to me. But the more I started to look at

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things, I realized that it was, it was a culmination of a lot of

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different things, right? Because of that, I was telling myself

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that I needed to work long hours, and because of that, I

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wasn't spending as much time being an attentive, present dad.

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And because of that, my relationship was breaking down.

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And because of that, you know what I mean, it was all it was

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all connected and and then, yeah,

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some soul searching, obviously. Then you

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went inward, right? For

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sure, and that was one of the ways that I got

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reconnected with Danielle Grant, who, you know, just through some

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of the work that I do now, is Danielle was somebody that I

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turned to when I was really starting to ask those questions,

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not that she had the answers, but she's just really good at

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being able to ask the right questions and hold The space and

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to and to even call up when needed to, when a person's

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navigating that world right? So I want to do what I love. I want

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to make lots of money doing it, because there's nothing wrong

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with me making money because an abundant world and time. I don't

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want to be stressed out about it, and I don't want to work

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long hours. And we look at the world that's mirrored to us, and

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we think, how's that even possible? So you know, asking

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those questions allowed me to at least step back and see what is

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possible and what needs to change. How do I need to change

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in order to create that reality? Not necessarily what around me

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is changing, but right to become

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right. And did you, I mean, how old were your

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kids at that time? Were

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they little? They were four and five,

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okay, and now they are, now they're seven and

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eight. Okay, so it's not that long ago in things, but it's

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still in my estimation, because I'm way beyond that, it's, it's

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still early, and it's a great time to do it, because your

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kids, you still have a long way to go with your kids and to be

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with them, and to be part of a big part of their life. And

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that's so important, so important. Okay, so you talk

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about resonance and frequency in the work that you do. Well,

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first of all, I think I said in the beginning that you work, you

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work, you help coaches, consultants and creative

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founders and and you know, business, probably entrepreneurs

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who are maybe struggling with what you struggled with, what

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you struggled with, and you can help them, because you've been

Janice Porter: 00:13:22

there, done that. Yes, okay, yeah. So how does somebody know

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when they're out of sync with their business? Is there a

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pattern that you recognize when people come to you?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:13:38

Well, it's interesting. That's an

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interesting question, because I think everything that I'll speak

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about is always in context of what I've experienced. Speak

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from that perspective, yeah, and when I was in the quote, unquote

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grind of my business and really growing, you know, it was

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expanding, and revenues were increasing, and results were

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expanding and everything else. I never thought there was any kind

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of problem. I was just like, This is amazing. This is what

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it's supposed to be like. It wasn't until I actually

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intentionally slowed down, which, to be honest, I'm, I'm

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pretty grateful that I, that I chose to quote, unquote, slow

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down before a major breakdown. Because this, of course, this is

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one of the byproducts that I don't think people think about

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is that usually we don't create change unless, you know, we go

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through something, have a crisis, yeah, like a physical

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crisis, or, you know, you go bankrupt, or you get divorced,

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or, Yes, death in the family, or whatever it might be. So to have

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that, that thought process of like, This doesn't feel right,

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and I need to hard stop right now. It's actually quite

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shocking in my life in general, because even my wife too, she's

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like, What are you talking about? Like, you gotta Yeah,

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where did this come from? Yeah. Where did this come from? And

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people want to label it as like a midlife crisis, but it wasn't

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like. Like that, though it was more, it was more of an

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awakening, right? I started to see what was outside of what I

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was used to on a daily basis. Like, for example, I would look

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and see people that were building businesses but didn't

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seem stressed out. And I was like, that doesn't make any

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sense. Like, if you should be stressed out, yeah. Yeah. I

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thought, well, maybe some people have figured this stuff out.

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And, you know, what are the tells? I think your question was

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really around, like, when does a person understand that they're

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maybe at that point? Yes, it's nothing that screams at you.

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It's a whisper. I love that, yeah, a whisper that. Like, is

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this it like I've got all the things I'm running, the running

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the business, I got the teams I'm I maybe even I moved my

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family to Costa Rica. I've done all the things that seem like

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I'm supposed to be doing on my checklist of you're living your

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dream life, and it still just doesn't feel when

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something's missing. And that's when you

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start to look in inward, and is that and that's when you reached

Janice Porter: 00:16:02

out. Did you already know Danielle? Or had you? Yes,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:16:06

I had known her for about three or four years

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before that, because she was actually the mindset mentor

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inside of a program that I had called expert selling the expert

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selling machine. Okay, okay, awesome. It's this side of her,

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the more spiritual side, the deeper conversation beyond just

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the mental side. That was all new. I knew that that was kind

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of her jam, and the thing that she had spent two decades really

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going deep on with her own personal experience, but that

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was the first time I had experienced it myself. Yeah.

Janice Porter: 00:16:34

Well, now I have to ask that, because most men

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would go, Oh, really, right, you don't solve things that way.

Janice Porter: 00:16:46

There's this is woo, woo kind of stuff. But you didn't So had you

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experienced any sort of spiritual side of things in any

Janice Porter: 00:16:58

part of your life, like through a parent or through someone in

Janice Porter: 00:17:02

your childhood? I'm just curious,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:17:04

yeah, not really. Like my mom is very

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spiritual. She's been a yoga instructor for 25 years. So

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there's definitely little pieces of that that you could say,

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like, oh, you kind of grew up around this a little bit. But

Trevor Turnbull: 00:17:16

no, that's funny. You say that because I was Mr. Don't feed me

Trevor Turnbull: 00:17:22

that woo, woo crap. Like,

Janice Porter: 00:17:23

okay, this is good. This is good because,

Janice Porter: 00:17:26

yeah, it because it's typical and, and also, a lot of guys

Janice Porter: 00:17:30

won't own up to even having that thought process of, you know

Janice Porter: 00:17:34

that being of interest or anything, because I know it as

Janice Porter: 00:17:38

started for me with my mother when she was searching for

Janice Porter: 00:17:42

something beyond and when she I used to, this is probably a lot,

Janice Porter: 00:17:48

no, it's a long time ago, like many moons ago, and I used to go

Janice Porter: 00:17:52

visit her in California, and she'd say, I want you to go to

Janice Porter: 00:17:57

this center and work with this guy and just see what you think.

Janice Porter: 00:18:03

And it was her trying to find some kind of spiritual peace.

Janice Porter: 00:18:07

And I always, always interested in it. But when she died, I

Janice Porter: 00:18:10

thought she was on my shoulder all the time, and I was starting

Janice Porter: 00:18:14

to go further into looking into different things. And it doesn't

Janice Porter: 00:18:18

mean anything other than you're opening yourself to other, other

Janice Porter: 00:18:23

options for things, and for you, I'm guessing it helped with with

Janice Porter: 00:18:27

whatever you did has helped you calm down and not be so

Janice Porter: 00:18:31

stressed, for

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:33

sure, and I think that was probably the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:37

starting point, and the hardest thing to do was to actually slow

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:41

down enough to be able to sit with my thoughts and not feel

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:47

like I was going crazy. Because the idea of slowing down when I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:52

was functioning at such a high pace, like, I called it, yeah, I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:55

reference it as, like, like, a high, high functioning, high

Trevor Turnbull: 00:18:59

producing, you know, workaholic entrepreneur. Like it's a badge,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:04

you know, you you almost like, work your way into it when you,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:08

when you get into the entrepreneurship world, they say

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:10

you gotta grind, you know, you want to do this thing. You work

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:13

from nine to five, and then from five to nine you're working on

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:15

your thing. Yeah. So you get indoctrinated into this way of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:19

being, and then a decade goes by and you go, Holy cow. What

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:22

happens? Yeah, this is who I am, but I'm wired that way because

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:26

of what I've let into my into my brain. Like, who, who I'm

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:30

surrounding myself with, myself with, what I'm hearing and then

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:33

also what I'm telling myself. And like, I say, it's just, it's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:37

the subtlest of little things I can it's hard to even point to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:40

one particular thing that allowed me to kind of look at

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:43

business in a different way. It was a combination of a lot of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:47

stuff, but it was all, you know, it'd be listening to a Tony

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:51

Robbins thing, because he's pretty mainstream, right? You

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:53

listen to a Tony Robbins thing, and every once in a while, be

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:56

like, huh, that makes a lot of sense. Ah, I'm too busy for

Trevor Turnbull: 00:19:59

that. I. Would go back to her right, and then you hear another

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:01

one, and you're like, oh, geez, there's that same thing again.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:04

And before you know it, you're listening to Alan Watts. And

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:06

before you know it, you're, you know, going to a breath work

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:09

session. And before you know it, okay, interesting starting a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:12

men's group. This is what I Yes,

Janice Porter: 00:20:14

that's what you did. Yeah, yeah, you did that.

Janice Porter: 00:20:17

Okay, so how do you then help high performing individuals

Janice Porter: 00:20:25

shift from being on that treadmill to purposeful action,

Janice Porter: 00:20:32

to take some to make some changes?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:35

Well, there's a there's a lot of pieces to that,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:39

but I would say that, you know, with the experience and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:42

background that I have, not just in building my own businesses,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:45

but in helping other people do the same, I understand the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:49

principles of of building a business or launch an offer or

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:53

whatever it might be, right there, there's a process that

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:55

you can follow, and as long as you're you go deep enough on

Trevor Turnbull: 00:20:58

each piece, or you have enough time or money to be able to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:01

invest to grow something. It's fairly predictable. But if I was

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:07

to say, you know, what should we ultimately be measuring as

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:12

success in your business and in your life, and ask the person

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:17

that question, you'd get a variety of answers. To some

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:20

people, it'd be, well, I want a million dollars, and I want to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:23

live in Costa Rica, and I want houses in multiple places, and I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:25

want this car and all those kind of things. And to the next

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:28

person, it's, I want to be healthy and vibrant, and I want

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:33

really deep relationships. And, you know, I want to be able to,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:36

you know, one of mine is like, I will surf with my grandkids one

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:41

day. Love it. Yeah. So who do I need to be right now in order to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:46

make that reality happen in 20 or 30 years? Yeah? So it's, it

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:51

always starts with reflection, and then, you know, what is a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:55

person ultimately measuring? Because to me, there's these

Trevor Turnbull: 00:21:58

layers, right? I call them the Pillars of Wealth is kind of the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:02

top level, which is your relationship. It's it's your

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:06

it's your finances, to a certain degree, because we still need

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:09

money to live in this world and to buy stuff, to travel and all

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:12

that. But it's also your physical health. It's your it's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:15

your relationships, it's your connection to self and purpose.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:18

It's your mental health. And below that, then there's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:22

foundations of business, your marketing, your sales, your

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:24

operations, all of those things. And then below that is, is just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:27

the nuts and bolts of like, how do you actually execute on all

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:30

of that? But a big part of its reflection starting with, like,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:34

the why? It's kind of a cliche thing to say,

Janice Porter: 00:22:37

but why are you doing what you do? Yeah, what's

Janice Porter: 00:22:40

the vision for the future.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:41

And then somebody says, and you go, why?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:22:43

Like, why? Why do you want that?

Janice Porter: 00:22:46

Yeah, and, okay, so, what was I gonna say? Well,

Janice Porter: 00:22:55

here's before I get to that, this question interested me when

Janice Porter: 00:22:58

I when I came across it. What would you say are some subtle

Janice Porter: 00:23:05

ways that entrepreneurs force their business instead of

Janice Porter: 00:23:09

flowing with it? Because I want to get into your 75 flow thing,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:15

subtle ways that they force

Janice Porter: 00:23:17

their business instead of flowing with it. So

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:23

I would the one thing that really pops into my

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:25

head, and I actually address this today on a client call, is

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:30

the whole conversation around time. So I find that even people

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:37

that are a little bit more kind of operating from the spiritual

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:41

side of life, where they just, you know, they're they're

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:44

adaptable, and they flow with what is, and they don't get too

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:47

stressed about stuff. They don't actually look at their calendar

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:52

and and, like, intentionally create space for them to be

Trevor Turnbull: 00:23:56

creative, or to, you know, have some, I don't even want to say

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:01

control, but just some sense of, like, the direction that they're

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:03

going in, and the opposite side of that is having a calendar

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:08

that ultimately controls your life, right? Because there can

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:12

be extremes on both sides, and that's usually a telltale, if

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:16

you know, whenever I'm working with somebody, that's one of the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:19

very first things that we do is like a time audit. And then not

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:23

just a time audit of where your time is going, but also an

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:26

energy audit, right? Of these things that you're doing, which

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:30

ones feed you with energy and which ones drain you of energy,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:34

it tells a lot. Here it is, where a person is, yeah, where

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:39

the misalignment might be to where they say they want to go

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:42

and how they're operating right now, which you'll notice has,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:24:46

I'm not saying anything about strategy here, right? It's

Janice Porter: 00:24:49

no no, but I like it. And even at that time and

Janice Porter: 00:24:54

that piece that you do with them, do you get some aha

Janice Porter: 00:24:59

moments? Pretty cool. Quickly about that

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:02

for sure, and also, and also, a lot of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:05

resistance too. Oh, really, okay, how I've always done

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:09

things, yes, possibly change, or whatever it might be. It might

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:13

even be with a piece of software. The thing that I ran

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:15

in today with one of the clients that I was working with is,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:18

well, I don't really want to use Google and Gmail and Google

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:22

Calendar. I'm used to using Hotmail and this webmail service

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:26

and this thing and that thing. And I had to say, like, Are you

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:29

committed to being the CEO of your business, or do you just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:32

want, like, a little side hobby where every once in a while you

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:35

miss a meeting link and you don't know where to find

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:38

something, and you got to email it to yourself, like, are you

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:40

ready to, like, run a business, or do you want to keep doing

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:43

that? Yeah, says I want to run a business. Like, okay, so then we

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:47

got to lean into this thing that you feel so uncomfortable with,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:51

to actually get yourself more centered into how a seven figure

Trevor Turnbull: 00:25:55

CEO of a solo business operator, and that usually has a little

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:00

bit to do with systems, but a whole lot more to do with that

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:03

person's feeling towards, you know, structure and rigidity.

Janice Porter: 00:26:09

Oh, I can experience totally identify with

Janice Porter: 00:26:12

that. I've been fighting the whole thing of having help do

Janice Porter: 00:26:19

the things that I don't like to do because I'm such a control

Janice Porter: 00:26:24

freak. It's hard. It's yeah, control freak, yeah. It's really

Janice Porter: 00:26:30

hard, I know, because nobody could do it better than me,

Janice Porter: 00:26:34

right? Of course, yeah. Anyway, I mean, it's crazy and I and

Janice Porter: 00:26:39

with some of those things you you may see it intellectually,

Janice Porter: 00:26:43

but it's still really hard to let go. And so that's why they

Janice Porter: 00:26:47

need people like you, I think,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:49

yeah. And with technology, I'll say too, like

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:51

we spent a little bit of time before this call to chat GPT

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:55

stuff and just how to have it better understand what you're

Trevor Turnbull: 00:26:59

trying to do so that it, it produces things that in a more

Trevor Turnbull: 00:27:03

authentic way. And it's very easy to kind of start to get

Trevor Turnbull: 00:27:08

light bulb moments of like, Oh my gosh. This is amazing. This

Trevor Turnbull: 00:27:12

used to take me four

Janice Porter: 00:27:13

hours. I know, I know that's what I'm finding

Janice Porter: 00:27:16

without, but that I'm still in control of that type of thing.

Janice Porter: 00:27:21

If I have somebody, I had a VA for a while who did a whole

Janice Porter: 00:27:28

bunch of birthday cards for me that were like Facebook friends

Janice Porter: 00:27:33

and people that I didn't speak to very often and ever. And I

Janice Porter: 00:27:36

created the messages and I chosen sort of the group of

Janice Porter: 00:27:40

cards I wanted to use. I still had to look at them before she

Janice Porter: 00:27:44

sent them out, right? She'd chosen a picture of the person.

Janice Porter: 00:27:48

And I maybe thought, oh, no, that's not very flattering. I

Janice Porter: 00:27:51

wouldn't put that picture on there. And so I, you know, some

Janice Porter: 00:27:54

like, I'm defeating my own purpose, yeah? So, yeah, it's,

Janice Porter: 00:27:58

it's hard some of that stuff, but it's good when you work with

Janice Porter: 00:28:02

someone who can help you get through it, for sure.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:05

Yeah, and those are, those are great examples,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:08

though, too. I just wanted to acknowledge that as it's really

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:11

speaking about a specific micro example, that when you compound

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:16

that with 100 other things, all of a sudden, shapes an identity,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:21

and then when your identity is attached to that, it's really

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:24

hard to dismantle that. And my wife is hiring an executive

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:29

assistant right now, a full time one, wow. And so it's not a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:33

small investment. It's still a very good investment for where

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:37

she's at in the stage of her business. But she said honestly

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:39

to me to the other day, she's like, I know that I could

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:43

probably get 80% of the work that I do off my plate, and the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:46

part that I'm most worried about is, what am I going to do with

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:50

all that time? And I was like, I appreciate that honesty, because

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:56

the answer is, whatever you want, yeah. But the idea of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:28:59

going to the gym, more, taking the kids to the beach or, yeah,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:04

it just feels so awkward that he's breaking through that. And

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:09

that's really what a big part of what I do is. And there's lots

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:13

of layers to it. Love it, yes. So it's lastly

Janice Porter: 00:29:17

about this. This is your newest thing. This 75

Janice Porter: 00:29:20

flow. Yes, it's your project, but I think it's teaching it

Janice Porter: 00:29:26

too, right? Well, it's going to be, going to be, that's what I

Janice Porter: 00:29:29

mean. Talk to me faster. There's a reason

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:32

why it's going to be too, because I don't know

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:34

exactly when you'll publish this, and it'll probably be

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:36

before I'm officially done my 75 days. Yeah, it might be Yeah,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:42

but when I, when I started this, it was about, well, it's just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:46

over a month ago. Actually, I think I'm on like day 35 right

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:49

now. But the build up to it was, I've done a really good job of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:29:56

changing my identity and going through that uncomfortable ego.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:00

You know, like facing the ego and and going, Is this who I am?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:04

Could I operate a business this way? Am I actually showing up

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:07

how I want to? And then I hit a point where I thought, imagine

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:11

if I was to really commit to this new way of being, and do it

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:16

in a way where I had layers of accountability, because I had

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:19

proven to myself that when I surround myself with the right

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:22

people, I put a little bit of structure to something, and I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:25

have some accountability, and I check boxes, I change, like, I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:30

just, I change. I don't, I don't make excuses and and say, Oh,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:35

well, I got busy this week, so I didn't do it. Yeah, so I created

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:38

this structure, and I called it 75 flow. Kind of want to play on

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:43

words to the 75 hard, right? Because most people know about

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:47

75 hard. Are you not familiar with 70 No, no. So 75 hard is

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:53

like so you want to create change in your life. You're

Trevor Turnbull: 00:30:57

going to do these. I think it's like six or seven things for 75

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:01

days in a row, and it's, you know, exercise and eating and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:04

reading a book and working out twice a day. One of them has to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:07

be outside drink, like, three liters of water. Like, it's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:10

pretty, pretty extreme, yeah. But it works, and it works

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:14

because it doesn't create any kind of room for error. So if

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:18

you miss one of the things on the 75 days, you failed, and you

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:22

start over again. So it's meant to be this kind of like you want

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:26

to create change. Here you go, 70 5r this will change your

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:30

life, and it does. It changes people's lives. And I've never

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:34

done it officially, but I've done versions of that numerous

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:37

times. When I said I wanted to get into better shape, I posted

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:41

a photo of myself and said, I'm going to put a picture of myself

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:44

up every single month with my progress for the next six

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:47

months. There's no backing out of this. People don't do that,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:50

right? Because it's almost an extreme level of that. So I kind

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:54

of played it off of that, knowing that people are familiar

Trevor Turnbull: 00:31:57

with that. But for me, 75 flow was really about just a new

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:03

rhythm. So the prerequisites of it were audit my calendar, and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:09

anything that shouldn't be there needs to go like it just has to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:13

be taken right off the calendar. It was also turn off the news.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:18

So not that I had any kind of straight up addiction to the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:22

news, but it was just in my orbit a little challenge. And as

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:26

I started seeing like the elections happen and everything

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:29

and just the, you know, I noticed the people around me and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:32

the way that they were talking and what I was absorbing, and I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:36

thought to myself, this is not serving me at all. So I thought,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:39

I'm just turning this one off completely. Another big one was

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:43

social media. So as an entrepreneur, we think that we

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:48

need to be everywhere and kind of post for exposure. And I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:53

thought, what if I turned them all off and just focused on one,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:32:56

which is ultimately how we reconnected, because I went all

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:00

in and on LinkedIn, and not just to like mass message people, but

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:05

to actually connect with people and build relationships and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:08

share and comments and all of that stuff. So there was a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:12

handful of prerequisites, and then the ongoing every day was a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:15

lot of things I was already doing, but it just gave me a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:17

little more structure, like reflection in the morning, in

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:20

the evening, and movement, but not necessarily at the extreme

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:25

level of trying to build muscle, but instead doing it

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:29

differently, so like stretching and doing mobility exercises,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:33

which ironically, four days into starting this I tweaked my back,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:37

and it was, it was like a reminder of, Oh, You want to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:40

stretch more, right? Let me give you a reason. So it's things

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:46

like that, and like I say, I can go into all the details, but

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:49

essentially, it's, this is what it's for. It's a rhythm reset

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:53

for the busy entrepreneur just like me, wears a badge of honor

Trevor Turnbull: 00:33:58

as a high performing workaholic entrepreneur who makes things

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:02

happen when I put my head down, yeah, but I just know that I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:05

don't want to operate that way anymore, and at the same time, I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:08

don't want my business to slow down. I don't want to stop

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:11

serving. I don't want to reduce my my vision and my mission. I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:15

want it all, yeah, but can I do that from a place where I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:18

actually take more conscious breaks and I get on the nature

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:22

in the middle of the day, and, you know, I I filter what I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:26

bring into my ex, you know, into my, my existence, and

Janice Porter: 00:34:31

I read, definitely, smell a book in the

Janice Porter: 00:34:33

works. Oh, for sure. Yeah, definitely coming after this,

Janice Porter: 00:34:37

right? Yeah. Are you a journaler? Do you journal now

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:41

or, Oh yeah, yeah, constantly journaling. I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:43

feel like I've been creating a book and a documentary for the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:34:47

last four years. Really,

Janice Porter: 00:34:50

yeah, yeah, it's coming. I know. Okay, one last

Janice Porter: 00:34:53

question related to work and to your life, for someone listening

Janice Porter: 00:34:58

who feels out of sync, for. But can't articulate why. What's one

Janice Porter: 00:35:03

first step that you would recommend they take?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:06

Well, you already said it, which is to

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:08

start journaling. Oh, okay, it sounds like, and I'm gonna say

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:13

this from the perspective of my old self, that would hear the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:16

spiritual stuff and say, Yeah, I get that woo, woo stuff out of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:20

here. The idea of journaling to me four years ago was a waste of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:26

time. I thought, what's the point of this? Especially I got

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:28

a computer, I could just type my answer. Why would I grab this

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:32

book right here and a pen and actually write in it? And I'll

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:37

tell you why. One, it forces you to slow down again. The person

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:43

listening to this might still be thinking, why do I need to slow

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:46

down? I still don't get this. But one of the best things and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:50

the easiest things that you can do, from a journaling

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:52

perspective, to like, when you start feeling those, those

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:55

feelings and the whispers of this doesn't feel right, or I

Trevor Turnbull: 00:35:58

feel like I'm on the wrong path is just start doing something

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:02

called Morning pages. It's, it's part of a book. What the heck's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:08

the name of the book? Now, I can't even remember, Oh, the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:09

artist way. The artist way. Oh, right, yep. Can't remember the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:13

name of the author off the top. I know that book. Yeah, yeah.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:16

She's, she talks about this, though, morning pages, and it's

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:19

got really, really simple instructions. First thing in the

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:22

morning, you wake up, you grab your pen and paper, and you just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:25

start writing. It doesn't matter what you write. I'll give you an

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:28

example. Woke up at 430 today. Madam Mayor retired. My kids

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:32

hardly slept last night. Why won't they just go to sleep and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:35

stay in their own beds? Anyways, I think I need some coffee. Wow.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:38

The birds are really chirping this morning. Geez. I can't

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:40

believe the sun's up. Do you know what I mean? It's just,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:43

just get it out of your head, and then and all the negative

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:45

stuff, all of the oh, I should have done that yesterday, or,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:48

Oh, man, I got a busy schedule today. How am I going to make

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:51

this happen? You start to release those things, and it

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:54

doesn't make your life's problems go away, no, it just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:36:57

brings the load of of your mental capacity down just a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:01

notch. And if you do it consistently over time, you're

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:04

going to find that it changes your life. Like, I can't explain

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:09

it. You just have to, you just have to do it. And I can only

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:13

personal experience, but it's been like, there's, yeah,

Janice Porter: 00:37:16

there's the there's the rub. I've got

Janice Porter: 00:37:19

journal after journal sitting here and I don't journal. I have

Janice Porter: 00:37:22

to something. Has to hit me over the hit me up beside the head to

Janice Porter: 00:37:28

to change, to make some changes. And you know, I don't think

Janice Porter: 00:37:32

you're ever too late to do that. It's never too too late to do

Janice Porter: 00:37:35

it. I've tried it over the years, never been successful in

Janice Porter: 00:37:39

being consistent. I don't know why, so I might try again. You

Janice Porter: 00:37:45

might have been

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:47

and morning pages is a good one, but yeah,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:49

people can be kind of awkward. For people, like, I don't know

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:51

what to write, or even if you if the whole point is, we'll stop

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:55

thinking about it and just start writing it, still can trip

Trevor Turnbull: 00:37:58

people up. So even, you know, in my 75 flow, I've got a handful

Trevor Turnbull: 00:38:02

of questions that I answer every single morning, same thing in

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the evening, and it takes me like seven to 10 minutes, so

Trevor Turnbull: 00:38:08

it's not that much time, but it just gets me into the routine

Trevor Turnbull: 00:38:12

and the consistent practice of it and love it. Eventually you

Trevor Turnbull: 00:38:16

start kind of craving it. You're like, I gotta go journal before

Trevor Turnbull: 00:38:19

I start my day

Janice Porter: 00:38:21

Interesting. Okay, I think that's a little

Janice Porter: 00:38:23

bit, little bit you have this on your in on your LinkedIn

Janice Porter: 00:38:26

profile, which I love, because the goal isn't just to grow,

Janice Porter: 00:38:31

it's to build from your being, not get buried in your doing.

Janice Porter: 00:38:35

You don't need more tasks. You need clarity, resonance,

Janice Porter: 00:38:39

realignment. I think you said that really well. I think it's a

Janice Porter: 00:38:43

great place to wrap up. And before we go though, I'm going

Janice Porter: 00:38:52

to ask you my question that I like to ask. I don't ask

Janice Porter: 00:38:55

everybody, but I'm I'm feeling it right now. So my favorite

Janice Porter: 00:38:58

word is curiosity, and I would like you to answer this two part

Janice Porter: 00:39:02

question. One, do you believe curiosity is innate or learned?

Janice Porter: 00:39:07

And two, what are you most curious about these days?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:12

I believe curiosity is suppressed. Would

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:15

be my best answer to that. I

Janice Porter: 00:39:17

love it. No one's ever said that I love it.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:21

I don't think it's learned. I think it's

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inside of all of us. I see it my kids every single day. You know,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:26

when they come out into the backyard and they look down on

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:28

the ground and see that pile of ants, they will stay there for

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:31

hours just staring at them and wondering, how did that little

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:35

one carry that big one? And it's there. It's just gets suppressed

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:40

and squashed as we get older, because it's it's a sign of

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:44

flightiness, or like you're not responsible. You should be more

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:47

focused and committed and driven in a certain direction. But

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:50

curiosity is sparked again through silence. It's sparked

Trevor Turnbull: 00:39:55

through reflection, through meditation and. And I'll just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:00

asterisk this too to say a version of me five years ago

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:05

again, wouldn't talk like this, but I've experienced it, so now

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:09

I can say that you know that creativity, that curiosity,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:12

comes back when I actually stop, slow down and give myself

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:19

permission to actually be curious. What was the second

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:23

part of the question? I guess. What

Janice Porter: 00:40:24

are you most curious about these days? But

Janice Porter: 00:40:27

you've probably answered that in one way or another. Go ahead.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:31

I would honestly say I am most curious

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:34

about how I can best educate and empower my children to grow up

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:39

in this world because we've had them in three different

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:43

scenarios of education, one that was straight up, like on a beach

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:49

in Costa Rica. One that was very structured in Mexico, but a

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:53

private school and really cool experience. And then one that is

Trevor Turnbull: 00:40:56

the public system here, and we haven't found the perfect fit

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:02

yet. So there's still a curiosity of, like, I don't

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:04

really know, like, should it be nature school? Should we just

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:07

stick them in the bush for a while and let them pick up

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:09

snakes? I'm not sure

Janice Porter: 00:41:10

that's what my granddaughter's year in

Janice Porter: 00:41:13

kindergarten has been half in the forest and half in the

Janice Porter: 00:41:16

classroom. And believe me, she'd rather be in the forest than in

Janice Porter: 00:41:19

the classroom. I know it's really interesting. Now she's

Janice Porter: 00:41:22

going to go to public school. It's going to not be a pretty

Janice Porter: 00:41:25

sight, I don't think.

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:27

And I would say that the foundation of that

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:29

nature school is to embrace and encourage

Janice Porter: 00:41:31

curiosity, exactly, absolutely. I know it's

Janice Porter: 00:41:34

fantastic. Yeah, thank you. Thank you for being here. Thank

Janice Porter: 00:41:38

you for having this conversation with me. We didn't have coffee.

Janice Porter: 00:41:41

I don't drink coffee, but we felt like that kind of a coffee

Janice Porter: 00:41:44

chat. Where can my audience find you? If they to reach out and

Janice Porter: 00:41:50

find out more about you? Where would you like them to look?

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:53

Sure, yeah, my website, Trevor turnbull.com,

Trevor Turnbull: 00:41:56

and I am exclusively right now on LinkedIn. I'm not really

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:01

using the other social platforms. I'll go back to them

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:03

at some point, but, yeah, connect with me on LinkedIn. I'm

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:07

there, you know, a couple of times throughout the day. I'm

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:10

though, I don't live on it, I don't have notifications on but

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:14

it is an incredible tool to connect people and to continue

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:18

conversations and to share ideas. And yeah, yeah, I'm

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:22

grateful that we got reconnected and that we're in advance and

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:25

we'll share more about this conversation and bring more

Trevor Turnbull: 00:42:29

awesome people into our lives.

Janice Porter: 00:42:30

Thank you so much, Trevor. Thanks for being

Janice Porter: 00:42:32

here. If today, if today's conversation with Trevor struck

Janice Porter: 00:42:36

a chord, you're not alone, because I enjoyed it immensely.

Janice Porter: 00:42:40

The truth is, when our inner world is off, our business

Janice Porter: 00:42:42

relationships, whether with clients, partners or even

Janice Porter: 00:42:45

ourselves, start to suffer. Trevor's reminder to lead with

Janice Porter: 00:42:49

energy, clarity and resonance, is more than advice. It's a call

Janice Porter: 00:42:52

to create success that actually feels like success. So thanks

Janice Porter: 00:42:57

for tuning in to relationships rule and remember to stay

Janice Porter: 00:43:00

connected and be remembered. You.