Breakthroughs for the Overwhelmed Brain with Barb Hubbard | RR313
Just because you feel scattered doesn’t mean something’s wrong with you. You might just need a new way to make things work for you.
Barb Hubbard, ADHD coach, educator, and author of Quit Chasing Squirrels and Start Chasing Your Dreams, brings a fresh, compassionate approach to helping high-achieving professionals and solopreneurs stop spinning and start making progress. In this episode, Barb and I discuss why time management is really about energy, how distractions affect women differently, and why the right support system matters more than any planner or productivity app.
Barb also uses EFT tapping in her coaching, as a powerful tool for calming the nervous system and building emotional clarity, especially when fear or overwhelm keep you from taking action.
Whether or not you’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, if you’ve ever felt scattered, unmotivated, or just plain stuck—this one’s for you.
Highlights:
- Why energy—not time—is the real driver of productivity and focus.
- How to tell the difference between true distraction and emotional overload.
- Tools to calm overwhelm and reset your brain when you're stuck.
- What EFT tapping is and how it helps with clarity and emotional release.
- The power of coaching that’s personalized to how your brain actually works.
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LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbhubbard/
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Transcript
Bob, Hello everyone, and welcome to this
Janice Porter:week's episode of relationships rule on today's episode, I'm
Janice Porter:joined by Barb Hubbard, a coach, ADHD specialist and educator
Janice Porter:with over 30 years experience helping people understand their
Janice Porter:unique brain wiring and to how to take meaningful action. Barb
Janice Porter:works with solopreneurs and high achieving professionals who may
Janice Porter:be neurodivergent, overwhelmed or just plain stuck through her
Janice Porter:signature blend of EFT tapping and brain friendly coaching, she
Janice Porter:helps people quit chasing squirrels and start chasing
Janice Porter:their dreams, which happens to be the name of her book as well,
Janice Porter:which I love. Today, we're going to explore how the relationship
Janice Porter:you build with your own mind and the right kind of support can be
Janice Porter:the key to unlocking clarity, confidence and lasting progress.
Janice Porter:So welcome to the show. Barb,
Barb Hubbard:thank you so much for having me.
Janice Porter:You're You're very welcome. Barb, you're in
Janice Porter:San Diego, if I correct, right? Yes, sunny San Diego. Is it nice
Janice Porter:down there? Right now,
Barb Hubbard:San Diego today is actually a little bit cloudy,
Barb Hubbard:but that's okay. We don't get many cloudy days, right?
Janice Porter:Right? We get a lot of them here anyway. So I'm
Janice Porter:curious, because I know we both, we, when we met briefly, had a
Janice Porter:chat a few days ago and discovered that we were both
Janice Porter:former teachers, and I know for you, you were an elementary
Janice Porter:teacher and then you were a high school teacher. That, to me, was
Janice Porter:No, you weren't. No, no, high school just Oh, I thought, I
Janice Porter:thought I saw that you were sometime, somewhere along the
Janice Porter:line. I thought, how could you be? I couldn't do that. I could
Janice Porter:not do the high school thing. So okay, my apologies. But what I
Janice Porter:am curious about is what inspired you to to leave
Janice Porter:teaching and get into ADHD coaching and EFT tapping. That's
Janice Porter:That's curious for me.
Barb Hubbard:Yeah, the the jump, there aren't a lot of
Barb Hubbard:teachers turned entrepreneurs were kind of hard to find. So
Barb Hubbard:yeah, you know what I what I found was I had been teaching
Barb Hubbard:for about 20 years. There were a couple years off here and there
Barb Hubbard:when I had kids and so forth. But I needed to change. I was at
Barb Hubbard:a pivotal point where I needed to decide, either I stick with
Barb Hubbard:this for 15 more years, or I jump into something new. And
Barb Hubbard:when I decided, okay, this is it I need. I need something new.
Barb Hubbard:The coaching was interesting to me. I had had a coach. I it just
Barb Hubbard:was something that I thought, you know, this might be
Barb Hubbard:something that I can do. I've always been someone who people
Barb Hubbard:come to, for someone to listen to, someone to give advice,
Barb Hubbard:someone to talk things through. And I did a little research, and
Barb Hubbard:I discovered ADHD coaching was a thing I had no idea. And I had
Barb Hubbard:worked with lots and lots of families over the years of
Barb Hubbard:teaching whose kids had ADHD and other learning issues, autism,
Barb Hubbard:various things. I thought, Okay, well, I could do that. So I
Barb Hubbard:jumped in, and I took a whole training program, a year long
Barb Hubbard:training program, to be certified as an ADHD coach. And
Barb Hubbard:initially I did work with parents. So it was very, a very
Barb Hubbard:natural transition, right? Like I had been working with parents
Barb Hubbard:as a teacher. Now I'm working with parents as a coach, but
Barb Hubbard:through just some some kind of serendipitous kinds of things, I
Barb Hubbard:started meeting some women, meeting friends who were saying,
Barb Hubbard:I don't know if I have ADHD, but I'm distracted. I'm unfocused,
Barb Hubbard:I'm overwhelmed. I you know, can you help me with that? And so
Barb Hubbard:that led to six of my seven years of coaching, being with
Barb Hubbard:women who are often entrepreneurs, and they are
Barb Hubbard:distracted and unmotivated and all those things
Janice Porter:well. And that's what also made me curious about
Janice Porter:wanting to talk to you, because I feel like that's me, and I
Janice Porter:don't feel that I wasn't always ADHD, I didn't always get as
Janice Porter:distracted as I do the in as I have in the last few years. And
Janice Porter:I don't know why. Partly, I wonder if it's because back in
Janice Porter:my youth, things were so simple. I mean, you didn't have all
Janice Porter:these online distractions. You had books and you had teachers
Janice Porter:and, you know, and you had stories that were passionate.
Janice Porter:Down and things like that. I mean, I feel really ancient, but
Janice Porter:on the at the same time, there wasn't that much distraction.
Janice Porter:You had a path that you were going on. Now, I am so curious a
Janice Porter:person innately, that everything distracts me. Oh, this guy looks
Janice Porter:good. I think I'll go follow what he's doing. Oh, I like what
Janice Porter:she had to say. I'm gonna go deeper. I can't do it all, yeah,
Barb Hubbard:yeah. So true, yeah. But my, my own personal
Barb Hubbard:theory, is, is twofold. I think that you're spot on with one
Barb Hubbard:part of it is that we have so much information at our
Barb Hubbard:fingertips, and curious people are going to go down this rabbit
Barb Hubbard:hole. You know what? I'm interested in this too. I'm
Barb Hubbard:going to go down that rabbit hole. So I think that that is a
Barb Hubbard:part of it. We have also, you know, 20 different notifications
Barb Hubbard:coming in all at once in any given hour, right? So that
Barb Hubbard:wasn't true when we were younger. And I do believe that
Barb Hubbard:things were simpler. I also think that in terms of ADHD
Barb Hubbard:diagnoses, we're just getting better at diagnosing this for
Barb Hubbard:women, especially women, you know, in their 40s, 50s, 60s.
Barb Hubbard:Okay, so,
Janice Porter:so I have to ask you, then, does it matter that
Janice Porter:you get diagnosed or not? Because, as you know, as a
Janice Porter:parent and a grandparent, and I look at my little granddaughter,
Janice Porter:who is very hyperactive, she gets distracted easily and but
Janice Porter:she's also very obsessive, so big deal. That's just the way
Janice Porter:she learns, and that's the way she so we have to, as teachers
Janice Porter:and parents and grandparents learn to to help her in the ways
Janice Porter:that will help her, so to speak, right? So does it matter? Do we
Janice Porter:need these labels? We never had them when I was a kid, right?
Janice Porter:Sure, sure. It's
Barb Hubbard:a great question, a valid question. I think labels
Barb Hubbard:help when you are trying to figure out where to go to for
Barb Hubbard:support. Okay, fair enough for kids. So you know, speaking to
Barb Hubbard:what you just described, your granddaughter goes through,
Barb Hubbard:right if, if she needs more support in writing, in reading,
Barb Hubbard:in occupational therapy, those kinds of things, the labels will
Barb Hubbard:be helpful to get her that support right. So that's that's
Barb Hubbard:one piece of it. But as adults, it's 5050. Of the people that I
Barb Hubbard:meet, many people want the label because that helps them
Barb Hubbard:understand themselves better.
Janice Porter:Well, I feel as though, if you ever scroll
Janice Porter:through Facebook and you've talked or said anything to
Janice Porter:anybody about or looked at anyone that deals with HTA,
Janice Porter:ADHD, you get oodles in your newsfeed about that, right? So
Janice Porter:then you see that it's, it's very prevalent, and everybody's
Janice Porter:talking about it, because that's what they focused on for you
Janice Porter:this week in your newsfeed and and it seems almost like people
Janice Porter:want to have that. I know it sounds weird, but it's like a
Janice Porter:status symbol in a way that, you know, yeah,
Barb Hubbard:well, and I think some people do, I think, you
Barb Hubbard:know, I don't, I will say I don't like that, because we
Barb Hubbard:truly have ADHD or anything else right there. There is, you know,
Barb Hubbard:it, it is unique and it is profound for you, and it's a
Barb Hubbard:challenge, yeah, for you, challenge, right, right? So you
Barb Hubbard:do have to be careful not to just say, Oh, well, that's me
Barb Hubbard:too, right? Like I have this, or I have that, you know, but I
Barb Hubbard:think that when it comes to to looking for the right support
Barb Hubbard:for yourself. Yeah, that makes sense and be helpful and and
Barb Hubbard:being distracted can be any number of different things,
Barb Hubbard:right? It could it. Distraction happens when you're burnt out,
Barb Hubbard:distraction happens when you have COVID. Distraction happens
Barb Hubbard:when you are in menopause. Distraction happens when you
Barb Hubbard:have ADHD, right? But if you combine all that you're going
Barb Hubbard:through and figure out what the label is, it can lead you to the
Barb Hubbard:supports that might help you be less distracted. Yeah,
Janice Porter:that's a good point that you just made, that
Janice Porter:there's so many things that can contribute to that. So you've
Janice Porter:said, you've said that time management isn't really about
Janice Porter:time. Can you explain what you mean by
Barb Hubbard:that? Absolutely, yes. I talk about this a lot,
Barb Hubbard:time management and not about time. Time management is truly
Barb Hubbard:about energy management. About what is is going on in your
Barb Hubbard:mind, right? If I sit down for an hour, if I have a lot of
Barb Hubbard:energy, because I got a good night's sleep and I'm feeling
Barb Hubbard:good because I'm excited about what's to come in the day, I'll
Barb Hubbard:probably get a lot done. You know, conversely, right? If I
Barb Hubbard:didn't get a lot of sleep, or I have a meeting coming up that
Barb Hubbard:I'm just dreading, right, then I'm probably not going to get a
Barb Hubbard:lot done. So, you know that same hour, it's the same 60 minutes.
Barb Hubbard:But you know that how we use that time varies, depending on
Barb Hubbard:our energy, depending on our mindset. Yeah,
Janice Porter:that's, that's definitely another way to look
Janice Porter:at it, for sure. That's, that's very good. So many of your
Janice Porter:clients deal with overwhelm. How do you help them build clarity
Janice Porter:and take consistent action?
Barb Hubbard:There's so many, so many things, so many things.
Barb Hubbard:I think to start, we have to go back to, you know, what is going
Barb Hubbard:on in your life, right? That that is is causing you to be
Barb Hubbard:overwhelmed, right? So one avenue is to work on habits and
Barb Hubbard:routines. I often call them healthy habits. You know, what
Barb Hubbard:are your healthy habits? Are you sleeping well, you know, do you
Barb Hubbard:need a better evening routine so that you can get to sleep
Barb Hubbard:earlier? Are you eating healthy foods? Whatever that means for
Barb Hubbard:you, right? One person's then jump into nutrition, and
Barb Hubbard:somebody else is just trying not to eat ice cream before they go
Barb Hubbard:to bed, right? It varies. You know other you know, healthy
Barb Hubbard:habits include movement, right, getting some movement in your
Barb Hubbard:day so that that's one avenue I also like to explore. You know
Barb Hubbard:what is going on in your body when you are feeling
Barb Hubbard:overwhelmed? Do you feel it in your body? And that's that's
Barb Hubbard:where EFT tapping
Janice Porter:can come in. Get into that in a second. Yeah.
Janice Porter:Okay.
Barb Hubbard:You know, when people calm their nervous
Barb Hubbard:system, when they have healthy habits, they're much more likely
Barb Hubbard:to know what the next step is that they need to take their
Barb Hubbard:it's easier to prioritize what's going on in their day. And so
Barb Hubbard:rest is really important, pausing is really important, and
Barb Hubbard:then they can have that clarity and move out of that overwhelm.
Janice Porter:Let's get into that a little bit. So you
Janice Porter:mentioned the EFT tapping, so what role does that play in your
Janice Porter:coaching, and how does I'm quite fascinated by this modality, I
Janice Porter:guess you'd call it, and I did share with you that I have had a
Janice Porter:little bit of experience with it, but I haven't made it a
Janice Porter:routine yet. I haven't gotten into this as a habit, and I'd
Janice Porter:like to and and so how do you, first of all, you have to
Janice Porter:determine, I, I'm guessing, stop me if I'm wrong, that with a
Janice Porter:client, when you're getting started with a client, this
Janice Porter:could be one of the tools you bring out depending on you know
Janice Porter:who they are, right, and what they're going through. Okay, so
Janice Porter:when is this something that you bring into your coaching, and
Janice Porter:how does it support emotional and mental clarity?
Barb Hubbard:Yeah, great question. So some people come to
Barb Hubbard:me and they they want, or they're looking for faster
Barb Hubbard:solutions, quick, quick little tips. And that's, that's what I
Barb Hubbard:my book is about. That's in my book, right? So we're looking at
Barb Hubbard:Quick Tips to boost your energy so that you can get started on
Barb Hubbard:something, or quick tips to boost your mindset so you can
Barb Hubbard:get started on something. When they say to me, this is an
Barb Hubbard:ongoing problem, or I have tried the quick tips, but I still keep
Barb Hubbard:coming back to the same issue. That's when, when tapping, EFT
Barb Hubbard:tapping can can come in as a support. So
Janice Porter:tell my audience what that is, for those who may
Janice Porter:not know. Yeah,
Barb Hubbard:so EFT tapping is when you I like to compare it to
Barb Hubbard:ACU acupuncture. Acupuncture is something most people are
Barb Hubbard:familiar with, but in tapping you instead of the needles, you
Barb Hubbard:are using your fingers to tap on various acupressure points on
Barb Hubbard:your body. And researchers have found that the most effective
Barb Hubbard:acupressure points are on our face and are up. And torso, some
Barb Hubbard:also on hands and wrists, right? So, you know, as an EFT tapping
Barb Hubbard:practitioner, I can teach people where to tap and how to tap and
Barb Hubbard:what to say while they're tapping, and as you are using
Barb Hubbard:your fingers to tap on those acupressure points, you are
Barb Hubbard:calming your nervous system. You're slowing down just that
Barb Hubbard:overthinking that that might be happening because
Janice Porter:you're focused on just doing the tapping and not
Janice Porter:what you're trying to calm your mind down, okay, yeah,
Barb Hubbard:yeah. And it even has been shown to lower
Barb Hubbard:cortisol, lower those kinds of, you know, chemicals in our
Barb Hubbard:bodies that are out of whack when we are stressed out. So
Barb Hubbard:when you can lower that, it can reduce the feelings of
Barb Hubbard:overwhelm. It can reduce the feelings of worry, of the
Barb Hubbard:feelings of fear. So when my clients say like they might,
Barb Hubbard:someone might come to me and say, I know I need to be posting
Barb Hubbard:more on social media, but I can't bring myself to do it
Barb Hubbard:right. All kinds of reasons why that might be the case. Perhaps
Barb Hubbard:they just don't know what to say. All right, we're going to
Barb Hubbard:explore that. Perhaps they can't find the time to do it. All
Barb Hubbard:right. We're going to explore. You know, when in your day are
Barb Hubbard:you going to sit down and write this post? Right? But if they
Barb Hubbard:say to me, I'm afraid of what people will say. I saw so and so
Barb Hubbard:post something and then she got, you know, all this feedback, and
Barb Hubbard:it was a little scary, or I'm afraid, you know, that someone
Barb Hubbard:might find out that I, you know, I'm in this new business. And
Barb Hubbard:what if, you know, what if I don't succeed? Or the anxiety,
Barb Hubbard:yeah, what if I do succeed, right? What if this post takes
Barb Hubbard:off and it becomes viral and suddenly I have too many Oh, my
Barb Hubbard:goodness, okay, great, yeah, yeah, you know. So if they're
Barb Hubbard:speaking from fear in that, then the EFT tapping can help lessen
Barb Hubbard:that fear. And, you know, it's, it's almost, it's, it's almost
Barb Hubbard:magical. It's not magic. But it sometimes feels that way,
Barb Hubbard:because after a few rounds of tapping, if I follow that same
Barb Hubbard:example, the person is saying to me, huh, you know what? I am so
Barb Hubbard:certain that what I have to share is valuable. It doesn't
Barb Hubbard:matter what the comments are and the fear is so much less. Or
Barb Hubbard:they might say, you know, I am so certain that what I have to
Barb Hubbard:share is important, that if I end up with five clients, God
Barb Hubbard:can figure out what to do with that. Right? I'll manage, right?
Barb Hubbard:And so it's, it's such a unique approach that we can pull out
Barb Hubbard:during a coaching session or within the months that we're
Barb Hubbard:working together, so they can, you know, move past that fear
Barb Hubbard:and take action on what they really want to do. So
Janice Porter:do you find that the clients that you that that
Janice Porter:take on that practice, and I'm assuming it's it should become a
Janice Porter:daily
Barb Hubbard:practice, yes, ideally, yes, that you
Janice Porter:see changes, actual physical changes in them,
Barb Hubbard:hmm, so I don't personally see the physical
Barb Hubbard:changes in them. It's not like, you know, their skin color is
Barb Hubbard:better or something. No, I
Janice Porter:think I just meant that you can read their
Janice Porter:aura being I don't mean that in a womb. I just mean, like, you
Janice Porter:know, you can tell if they're more relaxed or, yeah,
Barb Hubbard:I think okay, I might notice that they are more
Barb Hubbard:relaxed, or I might notice that they're holding their body with
Barb Hubbard:more confidence, right, sitting up straight, speaking with more
Barb Hubbard:confidence, you know, a more their voice might come across
Barb Hubbard:clearer, as opposed to That meek, you know, kind of voice,
Barb Hubbard:yeah, but what I what, what is noticed, that I'm not noticing,
Barb Hubbard:is they're reporting that they got so much more done, right?
Barb Hubbard:They weren't wasting time, that they weren't avoiding the hard
Barb Hubbard:task anymore, right? So it's more of what they're noticing
Barb Hubbard:within themselves. Of course, I hear about after the fact. Okay,
Barb Hubbard:that's
Janice Porter:that makes sense. So I do you do you still have
Janice Porter:your group coaching
Barb Hubbard:program? So I do group coaching from time to
Barb Hubbard:time. I don't currently have a program running, but it probably
Barb Hubbard:will in the fall. Okay,
Janice Porter:was this the how to eat an elephant?
Barb Hubbard:Yeah, so I've had a couple different groups over
Barb Hubbard:the years. That was one of them, and, no, I don't have that group
Barb Hubbard:any longer.
Janice Porter:Okay, that's fine. So you have worked, I
Janice Porter:know, with a wide range of people, from high achieving
Janice Porter:physicians to creative entrepreneurs. What do they all
Janice Porter:seem to have in common when they come to you,
Barb Hubbard:they are all overwhelmed, and they all come
Barb Hubbard:to me with this sense of, I have tried all the things and I don't
Barb Hubbard:know what to do anymore. You know, they may have bought a,
Barb Hubbard:you know, a video program, but they never finished it, or they
Barb Hubbard:may have, you know, tried to be in a group, you know, and get
Barb Hubbard:advice from the group members and the facilitator, and it just
Barb Hubbard:didn't work, right? So they come to me feeling a bit broken.
Barb Hubbard:That's a word I often hear, is that, you know, I feel broken, I
Barb Hubbard:need you to fix me, is what people will say. And honestly,
Barb Hubbard:my response is always, you're not broken. You don't need to be
Barb Hubbard:fixed. You are wonderful the way you are, and we need to help you
Barb Hubbard:figure out what works for you, what strategies are going to
Barb Hubbard:work for your brain? Because all of our brains are different,
Barb Hubbard:right, you know, and so, but they're all coming to me with
Barb Hubbard:that same kind of like, give up. I don't know what to do.
Janice Porter:Yeah, that's a really interesting piece there,
Janice Porter:because I'm just wanting to share with my audience that you
Janice Porter:did a really special thing just after we met, and we'd had a
Janice Porter:great conversation, and then you did a post on LinkedIn that
Janice Porter:referred to a question that I had asked you, and I think
Janice Porter:that's the core of what you're just saying right now. And that
Janice Porter:question is, how do you best learn right something like that?
Janice Porter:So so often. And you also alluded to this earlier when you
Janice Porter:said that they may have, you know, they you didn't say it
Janice Porter:quite this way, but they may have spent 1000s of dollars on
Janice Porter:video programs or or coaching programs that they're looking
Janice Porter:for an answer to their particular situation, but the
Janice Porter:kinds of courses or programs that they have gone to are the
Janice Porter:ones that spoke the loudest, really on social media, the ones
Janice Porter:that had the long sales pitches. And you know, if you didn't sign
Janice Porter:up there by the time you got to the next piece, there was
Janice Porter:another button to sign up. All of those, and they're all
Janice Porter:expensive, but they're all um, cookie cutter, and they're not
Janice Porter:for everybody, right? And I guess we all have to make our
Janice Porter:mistakes first, maybe, yes, but how do they then find you?
Janice Porter:Because not everybody learns the same way, and to be able to work
Janice Porter:one on one with someone who understands that and can find
Janice Porter:the right solution for them is like magic.
Barb Hubbard:Yeah. I, you know, I think that, you know,
Barb Hubbard:obviously, if they're listening to this right, then they might
Barb Hubbard:find me that way. But in general, we do jump at the
Barb Hubbard:cookie cutter approach, jump at the loudest voice, but there
Barb Hubbard:comes a point at which people say, okay, enough's enough. I
Barb Hubbard:need to look for something different, and whether it's me
Barb Hubbard:or somebody else, I encourage people to look for the teachers
Barb Hubbard:first turned entrepreneur, because, you know, I said there
Barb Hubbard:aren't many of us, but there's enough teachers will understand
Barb Hubbard:the power of individualizing things for whoever is in front
Barb Hubbard:of them, right, instead of that cookie cutter approach, right?
Janice Porter:And so you've got a lot of tools to work with, but
Janice Porter:how you present them and with a particular person depends on how
Janice Porter:they learn best, right? Yes, right, as well as what they
Janice Porter:need, what solutions, you know, you you think that they need,
Janice Porter:but, yeah, I think that is so crucial. And I think it's funny.
Janice Porter:I was talking to somebody the other day that I met on
Janice Porter:LinkedIn, and we were talking about, he wanted some
Janice Porter:information about LinkedIn and about my type of training that I
Janice Porter:do, and whatever. And then we had this great conversation. And
Janice Porter:then he said something about somebody else that was a
Janice Porter:LinkedIn trainer that he knew that lives in his area or
Janice Porter:something. And I said, Oh, that's great. What you know,
Janice Porter:what, however, whatever you decide is fine. But when I
Janice Porter:looked at this other person's material and profile and
Janice Porter:whatever, I didn't feel it was a good fit with this guy, because.
Janice Porter:Because it was not this was like more for corporate than for a
Janice Porter:business owner and whatever. But you can't tell people that. They
Janice Porter:have to figure that out. So all you have to do is really say
Janice Porter:what you do, who you are and how you work. And one of the things
Janice Porter:I remember saying was to him, you guys, you know you decide,
Janice Porter:whatever you decide is fine, I said, but do know that when I
Janice Porter:work with you, I will make sure that it's that it will work for
Janice Porter:you, right, right? In other words, I don't stop just because
Janice Porter:the time's up where I don't do it this way, because that's the
Janice Porter:only way to do it. It's you gotta work with people based on
Janice Porter:what will work for them. And that's what I loved about what
Janice Porter:you had to say when we first when we first met. So yeah,
Barb Hubbard:and I think too, to add to that, you're not going
Barb Hubbard:to go in on week four with the plan that you always do with
Barb Hubbard:people on week four, right? And I'm the same way, right? We're
Barb Hubbard:going to go into Week Four with an idea, yes, that of crave
Barb Hubbard:based on where this client is at, this is what they think
Barb Hubbard:they'll need. But with, you know, with being open to
Barb Hubbard:whatever the client brings to us that day and and ready to pull
Barb Hubbard:out whatever tool we have in our tool, right?
Janice Porter:I remember teaching a client LinkedIn one
Janice Porter:time, well more than once, where I used to always do it in a
Janice Porter:certain time block, and then I do smaller time blocks further
Janice Porter:on. But this particular person, I could see them glazing over it
Janice Porter:just about the hour mark, you know? And I'm like, You know
Janice Porter:what? I think we should book another time. I don't think we
Janice Porter:should do it anymore, because I don't want to overwhelm you. And
Janice Porter:the person said, Oh, thank you. They're so relieved. Yeah, so
Janice Porter:you do, you have to read your audience, right? You really do
Barb Hubbard:client recently, like that. I usually do 60
Barb Hubbard:minute sessions, yes, yeah. And after the first session or two,
Barb Hubbard:I realized, you know what? He needs 3030, minute sessions.
Barb Hubbard:After about that much time, he was starting to say to me, I'm
Barb Hubbard:done, right? And you're missing out, you know, so, so I said,
Barb Hubbard:All right, instead of doing, you know, four more sessions that
Barb Hubbard:are an hour long, let's do eight half hour sessions. How do you
Barb Hubbard:want that
Janice Porter:to look? And you want satisfied clients for sure.
Janice Porter:And you want, well, then
Barb Hubbard:we want to meet them where they're at, so that
Barb Hubbard:they can move past whatever the the issue is. And
Janice Porter:you know, the funny thing about that, though,
Janice Porter:is and sort of going a little off script here, like sort of
Janice Porter:off to the side, is that I think that's the difference between
Janice Porter:paying attention and being able to read your client, your
Janice Porter:audience, as opposed To, I've got this much work I've got to
Janice Porter:get through. It's like, it's not about you, it's about right,
Janice Porter:right? It's what
Barb Hubbard:you're doing. Yeah, them. And I think that,
Barb Hubbard:you know, even I started out with cookie cutter approaches,
Barb Hubbard:you know. So I think for anybody out there who's looking for
Barb Hubbard:someone to support them in whatever areas, yeah, you know,
Barb Hubbard:look for someone with a little more expertise, or, like, who's
Barb Hubbard:a little more seasoned, has a few more years in very good
Barb Hubbard:point and and look for someone who is open to that idea of,
Barb Hubbard:are, you know, I'm going to individualize it for you. I'm
Barb Hubbard:gonna meet you where you're at, right? Yeah,
Janice Porter:totally. So if someone listening today is
Janice Porter:feeling stuck or overwhelmed, what's one small step they can
Janice Porter:take to move forward with more clarity,
Barb Hubbard:my favorite tip is to get up and walk away for a
Barb Hubbard:moment. Okay, and I'm not suggesting you avoid whatever
Barb Hubbard:that is that you're stuck on forever. And if it is like, I'm
Barb Hubbard:stuck in life right, then that's a different kind of get up and
Barb Hubbard:walk away. Then it's I'm stuck with this task. Yeah, but, you
Barb Hubbard:know, get up and go for a walk around the block, call a friend
Barb Hubbard:and take your mind off of what it is for 15 minutes, turn on
Barb Hubbard:some music and dance, right? Something that involves another
Barb Hubbard:person, or involves some movement that really kind of
Barb Hubbard:breaks that stuckness in your brain and then return to
Barb Hubbard:whatever that task is, or whatever you need to figure out
Barb Hubbard:a little bit later. You know, it's the power of the pause,
Barb Hubbard:right? And yes, like we were saying earlier when we were
Barb Hubbard:younger, that was kind of built into our day. But now, with
Barb Hubbard:social media and email and all of that going
Janice Porter:on, no end, yes, sir, there's no end. It
Barb Hubbard:created for that's
Janice Porter:so true. Oh my goodness, it's so true. So I'm
Janice Porter:going to just diverge again, because now I would like to just
Janice Porter:ask you a couple of quick questions. And I have to ask you
Janice Porter:this question because of who you are, and because I just have to
Janice Porter:so I often ask this question, but not to everybody, and it's
Janice Porter:because I'm so curious. So I want to know whether you think
Janice Porter:curiosity is innate or learned. And by the way, there's no wrong
Janice Porter:answer, Curiosity is innate or learned. And second part, what
Janice Porter:are you most curious about these days?
Barb Hubbard:So I think that it's a combination of both, but
Barb Hubbard:I think that it's more innate than it is learned. Okay, I
Barb Hubbard:would lean that way. I think that kids are naturally very
Barb Hubbard:curious, and along the way, they get shut down. You know,
Barb Hubbard:somebody says you shouldn't be interested in that you shouldn't
Barb Hubbard:be doing that. Or, you know, stop what you're doing and look
Barb Hubbard:over here instead. Right? I think that all of those messages
Barb Hubbard:along the way. And I'm not saying they're necessarily mean
Barb Hubbard:messages. It just, you know, sometimes you got to get in the
Barb Hubbard:car and go somewhere, and it needs to stop looking at what
Barb Hubbard:they're looking at, right? Like it does not necessarily mean.
Barb Hubbard:But, you know, kids have all these messages along the way
Barb Hubbard:that they shouldn't be curious, so there's not time to be
Barb Hubbard:curious, and it kind of squelches that. But I think that
Barb Hubbard:if you let it as an adult, it could come back if you give
Barb Hubbard:yourself some time to be curious, and you know, be
Barb Hubbard:curious about what you might want to look into.
Janice Porter:Do you think that we should be curious? I decide
Janice Porter:Don't ever say but it just came to me, do you think that we need
Janice Porter:to be curious but be able to control it? Can you do that? I
Janice Porter:don't know. I just thought of that. That is such
Barb Hubbard:a good question. I hadn't thought of that. I so I
Barb Hubbard:think that if it is getting in the way of something right?
Barb Hubbard:Then, sure, you need to control it a little bit. You know, so
Barb Hubbard:many of the people that I work with are divergent thinkers.
Barb Hubbard:They like to think they're very curious, right? They think of 10
Barb Hubbard:different things at once, and like a chess game, they're 10
Barb Hubbard:steps out on each one. You know? They can get lost in those
Barb Hubbard:plans, those details, that research, and then you do kind
Barb Hubbard:of need to put a, you know, a little bit of control around it,
Barb Hubbard:or boundary around it, so that you don't, you know, miss the
Barb Hubbard:meeting. Or,
Janice Porter:I think you have to realize that you're doing
Janice Porter:that first Yes, right, yes, yeah, yeah.
Barb Hubbard:So you might need to, you know, either set some
Barb Hubbard:boundaries ahead of time or or not. But, you know, I do think
Barb Hubbard:that it's okay to let yourself do that sometimes, sure let
Barb Hubbard:yourself go down the rabbit hole. So what
Janice Porter:are you most curious about these days? I
Barb Hubbard:am super curious lately about I've been reading a
Barb Hubbard:lot about money mindset. Oh, really interesting topic to me,
Barb Hubbard:just how we we the beliefs that we learned as a child around
Barb Hubbard:money and how they impact us as an adult and big time. I've
Barb Hubbard:been, you know, reading books and listening to podcasts, and,
Barb Hubbard:you know, going to kind of down that rabbit hole of of, like,
Barb Hubbard:what? What does that even mean? You know, is the amount of money
Barb Hubbard:I'm earning really, um, affected by my mindset and what I, you
Barb Hubbard:know, believed and learned as a kid. And,
Janice Porter:oh yeah, let me take bully. Beliefs and yeah,
Janice Porter:knows your limit on on how much you think you can earn, all that
Janice Porter:stuff, that's, it's, I've been that rude. I've I've done that
Janice Porter:too. Yes, yeah,
Barb Hubbard:yeah. That's my latest curiosity. Well,
Janice Porter:thank you for sharing, and I think that if my
Janice Porter:audience wants to get hold of you, I will put it in the show
Janice Porter:notes. But where, where can they find you? What would you like
Janice Porter:them to? Where would you like them to go?
Barb Hubbard:So my website is barbhubbered coaching.com
Barb Hubbard:perfect, easy, and my email is Barb at Barb, Hubbard
Barb Hubbard:coaching.com so those are two easy ways to find me. LinkedIn
Barb Hubbard:is just Barb Hubbard, so no, no coding on that one. But okay,
Barb Hubbard:and your book, and my book is, quit chasing squirrels and start
Barb Hubbard:chasing your dreams.
Janice Porter:And it's on Amazon, right? Because I just
Janice Porter:look for it, yes. Okay, perfect. Well, I think Barb, you've given
Janice Porter:us a great, powerful reminder that. Success isn't about
Janice Porter:fitting into someone else's mold. It's about understanding
Janice Porter:how you are wired and using that insight to take purposeful
Janice Porter:action. So whether you identify as neurodivergent, overwhelmed
Janice Porter:or simply ready to build more focus into your day, I think
Janice Porter:Barb's approach shows that the right strategies and support can
Janice Porter:make all the difference, because when you build a better
Janice Porter:relationship with your mind, you build stronger, more intentional
Janice Porter:relationships in every area of your life. So thank you Barb for
Janice Porter:being here. Thank you
Barb Hubbard:so much for having me. This was a really delightful
Barb Hubbard:conversation. You're very
Janice Porter:welcome, and thank you to my loyal listeners
Janice Porter:for being here as well, and remember that relationships rule
Janice Porter:and to stay connected and be remembered. You.