Episode 313

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3rd Jun 2025

Breakthroughs for the Overwhelmed Brain with Barb Hubbard | RR313

Just because you feel scattered doesn’t mean something’s wrong with you. You might just need a new way to make things work for you.

Barb Hubbard, ADHD coach, educator, and author of Quit Chasing Squirrels and Start Chasing Your Dreams, brings a fresh, compassionate approach to helping high-achieving professionals and solopreneurs stop spinning and start making progress. In this episode, Barb and I discuss why time management is really about energy, how distractions affect women differently, and why the right support system matters more than any planner or productivity app.

Barb also uses EFT tapping in her coaching, as a powerful tool for calming the nervous system and building emotional clarity, especially when fear or overwhelm keep you from taking action.

Whether or not you’ve been diagnosed with ADHD, if you’ve ever felt scattered, unmotivated, or just plain stuck—this one’s for you.

Highlights:

  • Why energy—not time—is the real driver of productivity and focus.
  • How to tell the difference between true distraction and emotional overload.
  • Tools to calm overwhelm and reset your brain when you're stuck.
  • What EFT tapping is and how it helps with clarity and emotional release.
  • The power of coaching that’s personalized to how your brain actually works.

Connect with Barb:

Website: https://barbhubbardcoaching.com/

Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/barbhubbardcoaching

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/barbhubbard/

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Transcript
Janice Porter:

Bob, Hello everyone, and welcome to this

Janice Porter:

week's episode of relationships rule on today's episode, I'm

Janice Porter:

joined by Barb Hubbard, a coach, ADHD specialist and educator

Janice Porter:

with over 30 years experience helping people understand their

Janice Porter:

unique brain wiring and to how to take meaningful action. Barb

Janice Porter:

works with solopreneurs and high achieving professionals who may

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be neurodivergent, overwhelmed or just plain stuck through her

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signature blend of EFT tapping and brain friendly coaching, she

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helps people quit chasing squirrels and start chasing

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their dreams, which happens to be the name of her book as well,

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which I love. Today, we're going to explore how the relationship

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you build with your own mind and the right kind of support can be

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the key to unlocking clarity, confidence and lasting progress.

Janice Porter:

So welcome to the show. Barb,

Barb Hubbard:

thank you so much for having me.

Janice Porter:

You're You're very welcome. Barb, you're in

Janice Porter:

San Diego, if I correct, right? Yes, sunny San Diego. Is it nice

Janice Porter:

down there? Right now,

Barb Hubbard:

San Diego today is actually a little bit cloudy,

Barb Hubbard:

but that's okay. We don't get many cloudy days, right?

Janice Porter:

Right? We get a lot of them here anyway. So I'm

Janice Porter:

curious, because I know we both, we, when we met briefly, had a

Janice Porter:

chat a few days ago and discovered that we were both

Janice Porter:

former teachers, and I know for you, you were an elementary

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teacher and then you were a high school teacher. That, to me, was

Janice Porter:

No, you weren't. No, no, high school just Oh, I thought, I

Janice Porter:

thought I saw that you were sometime, somewhere along the

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line. I thought, how could you be? I couldn't do that. I could

Janice Porter:

not do the high school thing. So okay, my apologies. But what I

Janice Porter:

am curious about is what inspired you to to leave

Janice Porter:

teaching and get into ADHD coaching and EFT tapping. That's

Janice Porter:

That's curious for me.

Barb Hubbard:

Yeah, the the jump, there aren't a lot of

Barb Hubbard:

teachers turned entrepreneurs were kind of hard to find. So

Barb Hubbard:

yeah, you know what I what I found was I had been teaching

Barb Hubbard:

for about 20 years. There were a couple years off here and there

Barb Hubbard:

when I had kids and so forth. But I needed to change. I was at

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a pivotal point where I needed to decide, either I stick with

Barb Hubbard:

this for 15 more years, or I jump into something new. And

Barb Hubbard:

when I decided, okay, this is it I need. I need something new.

Barb Hubbard:

The coaching was interesting to me. I had had a coach. I it just

Barb Hubbard:

was something that I thought, you know, this might be

Barb Hubbard:

something that I can do. I've always been someone who people

Barb Hubbard:

come to, for someone to listen to, someone to give advice,

Barb Hubbard:

someone to talk things through. And I did a little research, and

Barb Hubbard:

I discovered ADHD coaching was a thing I had no idea. And I had

Barb Hubbard:

worked with lots and lots of families over the years of

Barb Hubbard:

teaching whose kids had ADHD and other learning issues, autism,

Barb Hubbard:

various things. I thought, Okay, well, I could do that. So I

Barb Hubbard:

jumped in, and I took a whole training program, a year long

Barb Hubbard:

training program, to be certified as an ADHD coach. And

Barb Hubbard:

initially I did work with parents. So it was very, a very

Barb Hubbard:

natural transition, right? Like I had been working with parents

Barb Hubbard:

as a teacher. Now I'm working with parents as a coach, but

Barb Hubbard:

through just some some kind of serendipitous kinds of things, I

Barb Hubbard:

started meeting some women, meeting friends who were saying,

Barb Hubbard:

I don't know if I have ADHD, but I'm distracted. I'm unfocused,

Barb Hubbard:

I'm overwhelmed. I you know, can you help me with that? And so

Barb Hubbard:

that led to six of my seven years of coaching, being with

Barb Hubbard:

women who are often entrepreneurs, and they are

Barb Hubbard:

distracted and unmotivated and all those things

Janice Porter:

well. And that's what also made me curious about

Janice Porter:

wanting to talk to you, because I feel like that's me, and I

Janice Porter:

don't feel that I wasn't always ADHD, I didn't always get as

Janice Porter:

distracted as I do the in as I have in the last few years. And

Janice Porter:

I don't know why. Partly, I wonder if it's because back in

Janice Porter:

my youth, things were so simple. I mean, you didn't have all

Janice Porter:

these online distractions. You had books and you had teachers

Janice Porter:

and, you know, and you had stories that were passionate.

Janice Porter:

Down and things like that. I mean, I feel really ancient, but

Janice Porter:

on the at the same time, there wasn't that much distraction.

Janice Porter:

You had a path that you were going on. Now, I am so curious a

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person innately, that everything distracts me. Oh, this guy looks

Janice Porter:

good. I think I'll go follow what he's doing. Oh, I like what

Janice Porter:

she had to say. I'm gonna go deeper. I can't do it all, yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

yeah. So true, yeah. But my, my own personal

Barb Hubbard:

theory, is, is twofold. I think that you're spot on with one

Barb Hubbard:

part of it is that we have so much information at our

Barb Hubbard:

fingertips, and curious people are going to go down this rabbit

Barb Hubbard:

hole. You know what? I'm interested in this too. I'm

Barb Hubbard:

going to go down that rabbit hole. So I think that that is a

Barb Hubbard:

part of it. We have also, you know, 20 different notifications

Barb Hubbard:

coming in all at once in any given hour, right? So that

Barb Hubbard:

wasn't true when we were younger. And I do believe that

Barb Hubbard:

things were simpler. I also think that in terms of ADHD

Barb Hubbard:

diagnoses, we're just getting better at diagnosing this for

Barb Hubbard:

women, especially women, you know, in their 40s, 50s, 60s.

Barb Hubbard:

Okay, so,

Janice Porter:

so I have to ask you, then, does it matter that

Janice Porter:

you get diagnosed or not? Because, as you know, as a

Janice Porter:

parent and a grandparent, and I look at my little granddaughter,

Janice Porter:

who is very hyperactive, she gets distracted easily and but

Janice Porter:

she's also very obsessive, so big deal. That's just the way

Janice Porter:

she learns, and that's the way she so we have to, as teachers

Janice Porter:

and parents and grandparents learn to to help her in the ways

Janice Porter:

that will help her, so to speak, right? So does it matter? Do we

Janice Porter:

need these labels? We never had them when I was a kid, right?

Janice Porter:

Sure, sure. It's

Barb Hubbard:

a great question, a valid question. I think labels

Barb Hubbard:

help when you are trying to figure out where to go to for

Barb Hubbard:

support. Okay, fair enough for kids. So you know, speaking to

Barb Hubbard:

what you just described, your granddaughter goes through,

Barb Hubbard:

right if, if she needs more support in writing, in reading,

Barb Hubbard:

in occupational therapy, those kinds of things, the labels will

Barb Hubbard:

be helpful to get her that support right. So that's that's

Barb Hubbard:

one piece of it. But as adults, it's 5050. Of the people that I

Barb Hubbard:

meet, many people want the label because that helps them

Barb Hubbard:

understand themselves better.

Janice Porter:

Well, I feel as though, if you ever scroll

Janice Porter:

through Facebook and you've talked or said anything to

Janice Porter:

anybody about or looked at anyone that deals with HTA,

Janice Porter:

ADHD, you get oodles in your newsfeed about that, right? So

Janice Porter:

then you see that it's, it's very prevalent, and everybody's

Janice Porter:

talking about it, because that's what they focused on for you

Janice Porter:

this week in your newsfeed and and it seems almost like people

Janice Porter:

want to have that. I know it sounds weird, but it's like a

Janice Porter:

status symbol in a way that, you know, yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

well, and I think some people do, I think, you

Barb Hubbard:

know, I don't, I will say I don't like that, because we

Barb Hubbard:

truly have ADHD or anything else right there. There is, you know,

Barb Hubbard:

it, it is unique and it is profound for you, and it's a

Barb Hubbard:

challenge, yeah, for you, challenge, right, right? So you

Barb Hubbard:

do have to be careful not to just say, Oh, well, that's me

Barb Hubbard:

too, right? Like I have this, or I have that, you know, but I

Barb Hubbard:

think that when it comes to to looking for the right support

Barb Hubbard:

for yourself. Yeah, that makes sense and be helpful and and

Barb Hubbard:

being distracted can be any number of different things,

Barb Hubbard:

right? It could it. Distraction happens when you're burnt out,

Barb Hubbard:

distraction happens when you have COVID. Distraction happens

Barb Hubbard:

when you are in menopause. Distraction happens when you

Barb Hubbard:

have ADHD, right? But if you combine all that you're going

Barb Hubbard:

through and figure out what the label is, it can lead you to the

Barb Hubbard:

supports that might help you be less distracted. Yeah,

Janice Porter:

that's a good point that you just made, that

Janice Porter:

there's so many things that can contribute to that. So you've

Janice Porter:

said, you've said that time management isn't really about

Janice Porter:

time. Can you explain what you mean by

Barb Hubbard:

that? Absolutely, yes. I talk about this a lot,

Barb Hubbard:

time management and not about time. Time management is truly

Barb Hubbard:

about energy management. About what is is going on in your

Barb Hubbard:

mind, right? If I sit down for an hour, if I have a lot of

Barb Hubbard:

energy, because I got a good night's sleep and I'm feeling

Barb Hubbard:

good because I'm excited about what's to come in the day, I'll

Barb Hubbard:

probably get a lot done. You know, conversely, right? If I

Barb Hubbard:

didn't get a lot of sleep, or I have a meeting coming up that

Barb Hubbard:

I'm just dreading, right, then I'm probably not going to get a

Barb Hubbard:

lot done. So, you know that same hour, it's the same 60 minutes.

Barb Hubbard:

But you know that how we use that time varies, depending on

Barb Hubbard:

our energy, depending on our mindset. Yeah,

Janice Porter:

that's, that's definitely another way to look

Janice Porter:

at it, for sure. That's, that's very good. So many of your

Janice Porter:

clients deal with overwhelm. How do you help them build clarity

Janice Porter:

and take consistent action?

Barb Hubbard:

There's so many, so many things, so many things.

Barb Hubbard:

I think to start, we have to go back to, you know, what is going

Barb Hubbard:

on in your life, right? That that is is causing you to be

Barb Hubbard:

overwhelmed, right? So one avenue is to work on habits and

Barb Hubbard:

routines. I often call them healthy habits. You know, what

Barb Hubbard:

are your healthy habits? Are you sleeping well, you know, do you

Barb Hubbard:

need a better evening routine so that you can get to sleep

Barb Hubbard:

earlier? Are you eating healthy foods? Whatever that means for

Barb Hubbard:

you, right? One person's then jump into nutrition, and

Barb Hubbard:

somebody else is just trying not to eat ice cream before they go

Barb Hubbard:

to bed, right? It varies. You know other you know, healthy

Barb Hubbard:

habits include movement, right, getting some movement in your

Barb Hubbard:

day so that that's one avenue I also like to explore. You know

Barb Hubbard:

what is going on in your body when you are feeling

Barb Hubbard:

overwhelmed? Do you feel it in your body? And that's that's

Barb Hubbard:

where EFT tapping

Janice Porter:

can come in. Get into that in a second. Yeah.

Janice Porter:

Okay.

Barb Hubbard:

You know, when people calm their nervous

Barb Hubbard:

system, when they have healthy habits, they're much more likely

Barb Hubbard:

to know what the next step is that they need to take their

Barb Hubbard:

it's easier to prioritize what's going on in their day. And so

Barb Hubbard:

rest is really important, pausing is really important, and

Barb Hubbard:

then they can have that clarity and move out of that overwhelm.

Janice Porter:

Let's get into that a little bit. So you

Janice Porter:

mentioned the EFT tapping, so what role does that play in your

Janice Porter:

coaching, and how does I'm quite fascinated by this modality, I

Janice Porter:

guess you'd call it, and I did share with you that I have had a

Janice Porter:

little bit of experience with it, but I haven't made it a

Janice Porter:

routine yet. I haven't gotten into this as a habit, and I'd

Janice Porter:

like to and and so how do you, first of all, you have to

Janice Porter:

determine, I, I'm guessing, stop me if I'm wrong, that with a

Janice Porter:

client, when you're getting started with a client, this

Janice Porter:

could be one of the tools you bring out depending on you know

Janice Porter:

who they are, right, and what they're going through. Okay, so

Janice Porter:

when is this something that you bring into your coaching, and

Janice Porter:

how does it support emotional and mental clarity?

Barb Hubbard:

Yeah, great question. So some people come to

Barb Hubbard:

me and they they want, or they're looking for faster

Barb Hubbard:

solutions, quick, quick little tips. And that's, that's what I

Barb Hubbard:

my book is about. That's in my book, right? So we're looking at

Barb Hubbard:

Quick Tips to boost your energy so that you can get started on

Barb Hubbard:

something, or quick tips to boost your mindset so you can

Barb Hubbard:

get started on something. When they say to me, this is an

Barb Hubbard:

ongoing problem, or I have tried the quick tips, but I still keep

Barb Hubbard:

coming back to the same issue. That's when, when tapping, EFT

Barb Hubbard:

tapping can can come in as a support. So

Janice Porter:

tell my audience what that is, for those who may

Janice Porter:

not know. Yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

so EFT tapping is when you I like to compare it to

Barb Hubbard:

ACU acupuncture. Acupuncture is something most people are

Barb Hubbard:

familiar with, but in tapping you instead of the needles, you

Barb Hubbard:

are using your fingers to tap on various acupressure points on

Barb Hubbard:

your body. And researchers have found that the most effective

Barb Hubbard:

acupressure points are on our face and are up. And torso, some

Barb Hubbard:

also on hands and wrists, right? So, you know, as an EFT tapping

Barb Hubbard:

practitioner, I can teach people where to tap and how to tap and

Barb Hubbard:

what to say while they're tapping, and as you are using

Barb Hubbard:

your fingers to tap on those acupressure points, you are

Barb Hubbard:

calming your nervous system. You're slowing down just that

Barb Hubbard:

overthinking that that might be happening because

Janice Porter:

you're focused on just doing the tapping and not

Janice Porter:

what you're trying to calm your mind down, okay, yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

yeah. And it even has been shown to lower

Barb Hubbard:

cortisol, lower those kinds of, you know, chemicals in our

Barb Hubbard:

bodies that are out of whack when we are stressed out. So

Barb Hubbard:

when you can lower that, it can reduce the feelings of

Barb Hubbard:

overwhelm. It can reduce the feelings of worry, of the

Barb Hubbard:

feelings of fear. So when my clients say like they might,

Barb Hubbard:

someone might come to me and say, I know I need to be posting

Barb Hubbard:

more on social media, but I can't bring myself to do it

Barb Hubbard:

right. All kinds of reasons why that might be the case. Perhaps

Barb Hubbard:

they just don't know what to say. All right, we're going to

Barb Hubbard:

explore that. Perhaps they can't find the time to do it. All

Barb Hubbard:

right. We're going to explore. You know, when in your day are

Barb Hubbard:

you going to sit down and write this post? Right? But if they

Barb Hubbard:

say to me, I'm afraid of what people will say. I saw so and so

Barb Hubbard:

post something and then she got, you know, all this feedback, and

Barb Hubbard:

it was a little scary, or I'm afraid, you know, that someone

Barb Hubbard:

might find out that I, you know, I'm in this new business. And

Barb Hubbard:

what if, you know, what if I don't succeed? Or the anxiety,

Barb Hubbard:

yeah, what if I do succeed, right? What if this post takes

Barb Hubbard:

off and it becomes viral and suddenly I have too many Oh, my

Barb Hubbard:

goodness, okay, great, yeah, yeah, you know. So if they're

Barb Hubbard:

speaking from fear in that, then the EFT tapping can help lessen

Barb Hubbard:

that fear. And, you know, it's, it's almost, it's, it's almost

Barb Hubbard:

magical. It's not magic. But it sometimes feels that way,

Barb Hubbard:

because after a few rounds of tapping, if I follow that same

Barb Hubbard:

example, the person is saying to me, huh, you know what? I am so

Barb Hubbard:

certain that what I have to share is valuable. It doesn't

Barb Hubbard:

matter what the comments are and the fear is so much less. Or

Barb Hubbard:

they might say, you know, I am so certain that what I have to

Barb Hubbard:

share is important, that if I end up with five clients, God

Barb Hubbard:

can figure out what to do with that. Right? I'll manage, right?

Barb Hubbard:

And so it's, it's such a unique approach that we can pull out

Barb Hubbard:

during a coaching session or within the months that we're

Barb Hubbard:

working together, so they can, you know, move past that fear

Barb Hubbard:

and take action on what they really want to do. So

Janice Porter:

do you find that the clients that you that that

Janice Porter:

take on that practice, and I'm assuming it's it should become a

Janice Porter:

daily

Barb Hubbard:

practice, yes, ideally, yes, that you

Janice Porter:

see changes, actual physical changes in them,

Barb Hubbard:

hmm, so I don't personally see the physical

Barb Hubbard:

changes in them. It's not like, you know, their skin color is

Barb Hubbard:

better or something. No, I

Janice Porter:

think I just meant that you can read their

Janice Porter:

aura being I don't mean that in a womb. I just mean, like, you

Janice Porter:

know, you can tell if they're more relaxed or, yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

I think okay, I might notice that they are more

Barb Hubbard:

relaxed, or I might notice that they're holding their body with

Barb Hubbard:

more confidence, right, sitting up straight, speaking with more

Barb Hubbard:

confidence, you know, a more their voice might come across

Barb Hubbard:

clearer, as opposed to That meek, you know, kind of voice,

Barb Hubbard:

yeah, but what I what, what is noticed, that I'm not noticing,

Barb Hubbard:

is they're reporting that they got so much more done, right?

Barb Hubbard:

They weren't wasting time, that they weren't avoiding the hard

Barb Hubbard:

task anymore, right? So it's more of what they're noticing

Barb Hubbard:

within themselves. Of course, I hear about after the fact. Okay,

Barb Hubbard:

that's

Janice Porter:

that makes sense. So I do you do you still have

Janice Porter:

your group coaching

Barb Hubbard:

program? So I do group coaching from time to

Barb Hubbard:

time. I don't currently have a program running, but it probably

Barb Hubbard:

will in the fall. Okay,

Janice Porter:

was this the how to eat an elephant?

Barb Hubbard:

Yeah, so I've had a couple different groups over

Barb Hubbard:

the years. That was one of them, and, no, I don't have that group

Barb Hubbard:

any longer.

Janice Porter:

Okay, that's fine. So you have worked, I

Janice Porter:

know, with a wide range of people, from high achieving

Janice Porter:

physicians to creative entrepreneurs. What do they all

Janice Porter:

seem to have in common when they come to you,

Barb Hubbard:

they are all overwhelmed, and they all come

Barb Hubbard:

to me with this sense of, I have tried all the things and I don't

Barb Hubbard:

know what to do anymore. You know, they may have bought a,

Barb Hubbard:

you know, a video program, but they never finished it, or they

Barb Hubbard:

may have, you know, tried to be in a group, you know, and get

Barb Hubbard:

advice from the group members and the facilitator, and it just

Barb Hubbard:

didn't work, right? So they come to me feeling a bit broken.

Barb Hubbard:

That's a word I often hear, is that, you know, I feel broken, I

Barb Hubbard:

need you to fix me, is what people will say. And honestly,

Barb Hubbard:

my response is always, you're not broken. You don't need to be

Barb Hubbard:

fixed. You are wonderful the way you are, and we need to help you

Barb Hubbard:

figure out what works for you, what strategies are going to

Barb Hubbard:

work for your brain? Because all of our brains are different,

Barb Hubbard:

right, you know, and so, but they're all coming to me with

Barb Hubbard:

that same kind of like, give up. I don't know what to do.

Janice Porter:

Yeah, that's a really interesting piece there,

Janice Porter:

because I'm just wanting to share with my audience that you

Janice Porter:

did a really special thing just after we met, and we'd had a

Janice Porter:

great conversation, and then you did a post on LinkedIn that

Janice Porter:

referred to a question that I had asked you, and I think

Janice Porter:

that's the core of what you're just saying right now. And that

Janice Porter:

question is, how do you best learn right something like that?

Janice Porter:

So so often. And you also alluded to this earlier when you

Janice Porter:

said that they may have, you know, they you didn't say it

Janice Porter:

quite this way, but they may have spent 1000s of dollars on

Janice Porter:

video programs or or coaching programs that they're looking

Janice Porter:

for an answer to their particular situation, but the

Janice Porter:

kinds of courses or programs that they have gone to are the

Janice Porter:

ones that spoke the loudest, really on social media, the ones

Janice Porter:

that had the long sales pitches. And you know, if you didn't sign

Janice Porter:

up there by the time you got to the next piece, there was

Janice Porter:

another button to sign up. All of those, and they're all

Janice Porter:

expensive, but they're all um, cookie cutter, and they're not

Janice Porter:

for everybody, right? And I guess we all have to make our

Janice Porter:

mistakes first, maybe, yes, but how do they then find you?

Janice Porter:

Because not everybody learns the same way, and to be able to work

Janice Porter:

one on one with someone who understands that and can find

Janice Porter:

the right solution for them is like magic.

Barb Hubbard:

Yeah. I, you know, I think that, you know,

Barb Hubbard:

obviously, if they're listening to this right, then they might

Barb Hubbard:

find me that way. But in general, we do jump at the

Barb Hubbard:

cookie cutter approach, jump at the loudest voice, but there

Barb Hubbard:

comes a point at which people say, okay, enough's enough. I

Barb Hubbard:

need to look for something different, and whether it's me

Barb Hubbard:

or somebody else, I encourage people to look for the teachers

Barb Hubbard:

first turned entrepreneur, because, you know, I said there

Barb Hubbard:

aren't many of us, but there's enough teachers will understand

Barb Hubbard:

the power of individualizing things for whoever is in front

Barb Hubbard:

of them, right, instead of that cookie cutter approach, right?

Janice Porter:

And so you've got a lot of tools to work with, but

Janice Porter:

how you present them and with a particular person depends on how

Janice Porter:

they learn best, right? Yes, right, as well as what they

Janice Porter:

need, what solutions, you know, you you think that they need,

Janice Porter:

but, yeah, I think that is so crucial. And I think it's funny.

Janice Porter:

I was talking to somebody the other day that I met on

Janice Porter:

LinkedIn, and we were talking about, he wanted some

Janice Porter:

information about LinkedIn and about my type of training that I

Janice Porter:

do, and whatever. And then we had this great conversation. And

Janice Porter:

then he said something about somebody else that was a

Janice Porter:

LinkedIn trainer that he knew that lives in his area or

Janice Porter:

something. And I said, Oh, that's great. What you know,

Janice Porter:

what, however, whatever you decide is fine. But when I

Janice Porter:

looked at this other person's material and profile and

Janice Porter:

whatever, I didn't feel it was a good fit with this guy, because.

Janice Porter:

Because it was not this was like more for corporate than for a

Janice Porter:

business owner and whatever. But you can't tell people that. They

Janice Porter:

have to figure that out. So all you have to do is really say

Janice Porter:

what you do, who you are and how you work. And one of the things

Janice Porter:

I remember saying was to him, you guys, you know you decide,

Janice Porter:

whatever you decide is fine, I said, but do know that when I

Janice Porter:

work with you, I will make sure that it's that it will work for

Janice Porter:

you, right, right? In other words, I don't stop just because

Janice Porter:

the time's up where I don't do it this way, because that's the

Janice Porter:

only way to do it. It's you gotta work with people based on

Janice Porter:

what will work for them. And that's what I loved about what

Janice Porter:

you had to say when we first when we first met. So yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

and I think too, to add to that, you're not going

Barb Hubbard:

to go in on week four with the plan that you always do with

Barb Hubbard:

people on week four, right? And I'm the same way, right? We're

Barb Hubbard:

going to go into Week Four with an idea, yes, that of crave

Barb Hubbard:

based on where this client is at, this is what they think

Barb Hubbard:

they'll need. But with, you know, with being open to

Barb Hubbard:

whatever the client brings to us that day and and ready to pull

Barb Hubbard:

out whatever tool we have in our tool, right?

Janice Porter:

I remember teaching a client LinkedIn one

Janice Porter:

time, well more than once, where I used to always do it in a

Janice Porter:

certain time block, and then I do smaller time blocks further

Janice Porter:

on. But this particular person, I could see them glazing over it

Janice Porter:

just about the hour mark, you know? And I'm like, You know

Janice Porter:

what? I think we should book another time. I don't think we

Janice Porter:

should do it anymore, because I don't want to overwhelm you. And

Janice Porter:

the person said, Oh, thank you. They're so relieved. Yeah, so

Janice Porter:

you do, you have to read your audience, right? You really do

Barb Hubbard:

client recently, like that. I usually do 60

Barb Hubbard:

minute sessions, yes, yeah. And after the first session or two,

Barb Hubbard:

I realized, you know what? He needs 3030, minute sessions.

Barb Hubbard:

After about that much time, he was starting to say to me, I'm

Barb Hubbard:

done, right? And you're missing out, you know, so, so I said,

Barb Hubbard:

All right, instead of doing, you know, four more sessions that

Barb Hubbard:

are an hour long, let's do eight half hour sessions. How do you

Barb Hubbard:

want that

Janice Porter:

to look? And you want satisfied clients for sure.

Janice Porter:

And you want, well, then

Barb Hubbard:

we want to meet them where they're at, so that

Barb Hubbard:

they can move past whatever the the issue is. And

Janice Porter:

you know, the funny thing about that, though,

Janice Porter:

is and sort of going a little off script here, like sort of

Janice Porter:

off to the side, is that I think that's the difference between

Janice Porter:

paying attention and being able to read your client, your

Janice Porter:

audience, as opposed To, I've got this much work I've got to

Janice Porter:

get through. It's like, it's not about you, it's about right,

Janice Porter:

right? It's what

Barb Hubbard:

you're doing. Yeah, them. And I think that,

Barb Hubbard:

you know, even I started out with cookie cutter approaches,

Barb Hubbard:

you know. So I think for anybody out there who's looking for

Barb Hubbard:

someone to support them in whatever areas, yeah, you know,

Barb Hubbard:

look for someone with a little more expertise, or, like, who's

Barb Hubbard:

a little more seasoned, has a few more years in very good

Barb Hubbard:

point and and look for someone who is open to that idea of,

Barb Hubbard:

are, you know, I'm going to individualize it for you. I'm

Barb Hubbard:

gonna meet you where you're at, right? Yeah,

Janice Porter:

totally. So if someone listening today is

Janice Porter:

feeling stuck or overwhelmed, what's one small step they can

Janice Porter:

take to move forward with more clarity,

Barb Hubbard:

my favorite tip is to get up and walk away for a

Barb Hubbard:

moment. Okay, and I'm not suggesting you avoid whatever

Barb Hubbard:

that is that you're stuck on forever. And if it is like, I'm

Barb Hubbard:

stuck in life right, then that's a different kind of get up and

Barb Hubbard:

walk away. Then it's I'm stuck with this task. Yeah, but, you

Barb Hubbard:

know, get up and go for a walk around the block, call a friend

Barb Hubbard:

and take your mind off of what it is for 15 minutes, turn on

Barb Hubbard:

some music and dance, right? Something that involves another

Barb Hubbard:

person, or involves some movement that really kind of

Barb Hubbard:

breaks that stuckness in your brain and then return to

Barb Hubbard:

whatever that task is, or whatever you need to figure out

Barb Hubbard:

a little bit later. You know, it's the power of the pause,

Barb Hubbard:

right? And yes, like we were saying earlier when we were

Barb Hubbard:

younger, that was kind of built into our day. But now, with

Barb Hubbard:

social media and email and all of that going

Janice Porter:

on, no end, yes, sir, there's no end. It

Barb Hubbard:

created for that's

Janice Porter:

so true. Oh my goodness, it's so true. So I'm

Janice Porter:

going to just diverge again, because now I would like to just

Janice Porter:

ask you a couple of quick questions. And I have to ask you

Janice Porter:

this question because of who you are, and because I just have to

Janice Porter:

so I often ask this question, but not to everybody, and it's

Janice Porter:

because I'm so curious. So I want to know whether you think

Janice Porter:

curiosity is innate or learned. And by the way, there's no wrong

Janice Porter:

answer, Curiosity is innate or learned. And second part, what

Janice Porter:

are you most curious about these days?

Barb Hubbard:

So I think that it's a combination of both, but

Barb Hubbard:

I think that it's more innate than it is learned. Okay, I

Barb Hubbard:

would lean that way. I think that kids are naturally very

Barb Hubbard:

curious, and along the way, they get shut down. You know,

Barb Hubbard:

somebody says you shouldn't be interested in that you shouldn't

Barb Hubbard:

be doing that. Or, you know, stop what you're doing and look

Barb Hubbard:

over here instead. Right? I think that all of those messages

Barb Hubbard:

along the way. And I'm not saying they're necessarily mean

Barb Hubbard:

messages. It just, you know, sometimes you got to get in the

Barb Hubbard:

car and go somewhere, and it needs to stop looking at what

Barb Hubbard:

they're looking at, right? Like it does not necessarily mean.

Barb Hubbard:

But, you know, kids have all these messages along the way

Barb Hubbard:

that they shouldn't be curious, so there's not time to be

Barb Hubbard:

curious, and it kind of squelches that. But I think that

Barb Hubbard:

if you let it as an adult, it could come back if you give

Barb Hubbard:

yourself some time to be curious, and you know, be

Barb Hubbard:

curious about what you might want to look into.

Janice Porter:

Do you think that we should be curious? I decide

Janice Porter:

Don't ever say but it just came to me, do you think that we need

Janice Porter:

to be curious but be able to control it? Can you do that? I

Janice Porter:

don't know. I just thought of that. That is such

Barb Hubbard:

a good question. I hadn't thought of that. I so I

Barb Hubbard:

think that if it is getting in the way of something right?

Barb Hubbard:

Then, sure, you need to control it a little bit. You know, so

Barb Hubbard:

many of the people that I work with are divergent thinkers.

Barb Hubbard:

They like to think they're very curious, right? They think of 10

Barb Hubbard:

different things at once, and like a chess game, they're 10

Barb Hubbard:

steps out on each one. You know? They can get lost in those

Barb Hubbard:

plans, those details, that research, and then you do kind

Barb Hubbard:

of need to put a, you know, a little bit of control around it,

Barb Hubbard:

or boundary around it, so that you don't, you know, miss the

Barb Hubbard:

meeting. Or,

Janice Porter:

I think you have to realize that you're doing

Janice Porter:

that first Yes, right, yes, yeah, yeah.

Barb Hubbard:

So you might need to, you know, either set some

Barb Hubbard:

boundaries ahead of time or or not. But, you know, I do think

Barb Hubbard:

that it's okay to let yourself do that sometimes, sure let

Barb Hubbard:

yourself go down the rabbit hole. So what

Janice Porter:

are you most curious about these days? I

Barb Hubbard:

am super curious lately about I've been reading a

Barb Hubbard:

lot about money mindset. Oh, really interesting topic to me,

Barb Hubbard:

just how we we the beliefs that we learned as a child around

Barb Hubbard:

money and how they impact us as an adult and big time. I've

Barb Hubbard:

been, you know, reading books and listening to podcasts, and,

Barb Hubbard:

you know, going to kind of down that rabbit hole of of, like,

Barb Hubbard:

what? What does that even mean? You know, is the amount of money

Barb Hubbard:

I'm earning really, um, affected by my mindset and what I, you

Barb Hubbard:

know, believed and learned as a kid. And,

Janice Porter:

oh yeah, let me take bully. Beliefs and yeah,

Janice Porter:

knows your limit on on how much you think you can earn, all that

Janice Porter:

stuff, that's, it's, I've been that rude. I've I've done that

Janice Porter:

too. Yes, yeah,

Barb Hubbard:

yeah. That's my latest curiosity. Well,

Janice Porter:

thank you for sharing, and I think that if my

Janice Porter:

audience wants to get hold of you, I will put it in the show

Janice Porter:

notes. But where, where can they find you? What would you like

Janice Porter:

them to? Where would you like them to go?

Barb Hubbard:

So my website is barbhubbered coaching.com

Barb Hubbard:

perfect, easy, and my email is Barb at Barb, Hubbard

Barb Hubbard:

coaching.com so those are two easy ways to find me. LinkedIn

Barb Hubbard:

is just Barb Hubbard, so no, no coding on that one. But okay,

Barb Hubbard:

and your book, and my book is, quit chasing squirrels and start

Barb Hubbard:

chasing your dreams.

Janice Porter:

And it's on Amazon, right? Because I just

Janice Porter:

look for it, yes. Okay, perfect. Well, I think Barb, you've given

Janice Porter:

us a great, powerful reminder that. Success isn't about

Janice Porter:

fitting into someone else's mold. It's about understanding

Janice Porter:

how you are wired and using that insight to take purposeful

Janice Porter:

action. So whether you identify as neurodivergent, overwhelmed

Janice Porter:

or simply ready to build more focus into your day, I think

Janice Porter:

Barb's approach shows that the right strategies and support can

Janice Porter:

make all the difference, because when you build a better

Janice Porter:

relationship with your mind, you build stronger, more intentional

Janice Porter:

relationships in every area of your life. So thank you Barb for

Janice Porter:

being here. Thank you

Barb Hubbard:

so much for having me. This was a really delightful

Barb Hubbard:

conversation. You're very

Janice Porter:

welcome, and thank you to my loyal listeners

Janice Porter:

for being here as well, and remember that relationships rule

Janice Porter:

and to stay connected and be remembered. You.

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About the Podcast

Relationships Rule
It’s always about Relationships!
Imagine that 68% of our clients leave because they feel we don’t care. Then visualize having authentic heart-based retention strategies, proven to minimize client losses, while organically generating a substantial number of loyal clients through referrals.

Catch a glimpse of how Janice opens a conversation by applying her fine-tuned curiosity. Notice how genuinely interested she is in building a relationship with her guests – heart-based business owners and entrepreneurs. In mere minutes, guests generously share their most sweet and powerful retention systems that you can adopt today!

As a seasoned relationship marketing specialist, Janice invites us to listen in weekly, as she reveals how to nurture and build relationships in real-time.

The Relationships Rule podcast’s aim, is to help you naturally ease your networking fears, so you can adopt strategies that amplify your client list, because the facts are, that today, success is built on a foundation of strong relationships. You can relax now, knowing you can activate your relationship marketing plan, by simply tuning in to Relationships Rule each week.

About your host

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Janice Porter

I began my career as a teacher, was a corporate trainer for many years, and have now found my niche in coaching business owners to network at a world-class level.
My passion is working with motivated people, who are coachable and who want to build their businesses through relationship marketing and networking (offline & online). I help my clients create retention strategies, grow through referrals, and create loyal customers by staying connected.