From Stage Fright to Stage Trust with Michele Vilseck | RR 330

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Stick it. Hello everyone, and welcome to this

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week's episode of relationships rule today. My guest is Michelle

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Vilsack, a celebrity speaker coach, certified elite speaker

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and unapologetic champion of bold, Messier, more honest

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voices. She's known for helping athletes, heart centered

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entrepreneurs and thought leaders turn their stories into

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movements by training them to captivate from the stage,

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connect with their audience and convert with authenticity.

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Michelle is the creator of the raw method and the go to coach

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for speakers who want to be unforgettable and unstoppable.

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And in this episode, we'll explore how much, how speaking

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from a place of authenticity and connection can build trust,

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drive results and create meaningful relationships long

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after the lights go down. So welcome to the show, Michelle,

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thank you. Janice, thanks so much for

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having me on my

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pleasure. And Michelle and I haven't known

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each other that long we met online, on in a Zoom Room

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somewhere, and not long ago, but I understood, and I think that's

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what perked my my curiosity piqued my curiosity when

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Michelle mentioned that she was looking for people to have

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guests on her podcast who she trains and teaches to speak from

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stages. And I always like to help people do such things and

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work with young athletes or athletes and young

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entrepreneurs. So I thought I'd start by talking to Michelle and

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seeing how she works her magic and go from there. So let's,

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let's just start with your journey. Michelle, how did you

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go from health coach and rebel with a cause to coaching high

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performance speakers and and athletes?

Michele Vilseck: 00:01:53

Yeah, I think, like a lot of us, whenever we

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start our business, it's your journey that gets you here. And

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then people are telling you, you know, especially coaches, right?

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People are saying, Oh, wow, how did you do that? Can you teach

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me how to do that? And they're asking you for advice. You start

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helping people, and then then you jump in and you think, Oh,

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I'll be a coach, right? Like, I'll do this. And that's a whole

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nother tangent. We won't go down right, but jump in right, and

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you think this is gonna be great. This would be so easy

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that, yeah, so that's, that's what happened to me. I had a 20

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year, but I just when I was very, very young, I had major

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digestive issues, and just a whole story going there where I

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had so many food sensitivities, I could only five things at one

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point on my list. It was really awful. But then I reversed all

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that through food and stuff. So people were asking me about it.

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I became a health coach. And as I became a health coach, kind of

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going back to what I was saying, I thought, Yes, I'm just gonna,

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you know, if you build it, they will come. People are already

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asking me, of course, they're gonna want to ping me to help

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them do this. And then you quickly realize that you don't

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know what you're doing, and there's so much noise online.

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And so really, what got me into speaking I was talking to one of

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my coaches, and I was just getting so frustrated doing all

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these things that I hated, right? Just all day long,

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posting, you know, spamming people in their DMS, and hunting

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people on Facebook and doing all these things that they're like,

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she's like, You have to be on Facebook, and you have to do it

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this way to be successful. And so that's just, I just bought

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into a lot of that. And finally, I just set an exasperation one

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day to my coach, also, in an opening moment of I just want to

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do workshops. I just want to teach people. And I know you're

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a teacher, too. Janice said that, you know, I just want to

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teach people. I want to help people. I want to be doing the

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thing that I came here to do, teach people what I know. And

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she just looked at me and she said, why don't you do that

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then? Oh, yeah, why don't I do that? Right? And so that's kind

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of how the journey began. And then I ended up teaching other

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people how to be a speaker.

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And we do learn from our mistakes and from our

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trial and error, and we have to go through that, I think in

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order to be who we want to be. I do believe that. And I think the

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beauty, though, of the way you started with that naivety that

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you know, of doing it and believing somebody else's way

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was your way, and it really wasn't, and all of that, I

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think, though your enthusiasm was great. And I think

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entrepreneurs tend to do that. They just jump out there and do

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it, instead of putting all the ducks in a row first, and, you

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know, trying to plan it forever, and nothing happens for so long

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that you get discouraged, so I I admire your enthusiasm and and

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so forth that you had when you started, because I think this is

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important. I really do. I think that's how we learn.

Michele Vilseck: 00:04:58

Yeah, and I think. It is kind of a pattern

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that we have as entrepreneurs, because I think in those

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beginning stages, you do have such, like you said, enthusiasm,

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optimism, you're excited to share, you're really in the lane

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that you're best suited to be in, and you're so in

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authenticity about who you are and what you're going to do. And

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then we jump into the world of business, and everybody tells

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us, yeah, like, you need to be on Facebook, you have to be on

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social media. You have to do this to succeed. The one that I

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recently overcome lately was you have to learn how to sell like.

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You have to be the one that sells your program, right? You

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can't have anyone else sell your program. That doesn't work. And

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I was like, but other people are clearly having other people sell

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their program, right? But anyway, so then I think, then we

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get lost. We lose ourselves, because everybody's telling us,

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this is what you do, and kind of lose yourself. And I'm always

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joke that I got my MBA in marketing right, because you

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have to learn how to market and just sales and all the things,

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and then we lose ourselves. And really, you stop being magnetic,

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and you stop being authentic, and then you're working really

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hard, and it's not working, because now you're out of

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alignment, which I think we're going to talk more about with,

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you know, with your voice and everything, right?

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So let's just you mentioned selling. So I want to

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just ask you, you say selling should feel like a party, not a

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panic attack, and what do you mean by that, and why does that

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idea resonate with your clients?

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Yeah, that? Yeah, because I love that,

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because that was what I was experiencing, right? I just felt

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like I was literally having panic attacks messaging people

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on Facebook. I'm actually a very whenever I love people, and when

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I go to networking events in person, I'm talking to

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everybody. If you're there, Janice, I'm listening to you.

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I'm asking you questions. I'm so excited about your thing with

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you, you know, like, I just love meeting people. But whenever it

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was on Facebook, they're like, you have to go on Facebook and

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you have to message this many people, and then you want to

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build the relationship, and then, and it just felt like,

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well, it was just really inauthentic to me. And I just

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felt like, Oh, I'm here to get something from them, and so it's

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just, it's that yucky sales feeling, and I was literally

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having panic attacks. I would just be at the end of the day.

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And I think that's kind of, it's like the extreme way of saying

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how a lot of heart centered entrepreneurs and coaches really

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feel. Because again, you came into this to teach people, to

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help people, and then, then, whenever we hear sales, we feel

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like, Oh, you have to manipulate people in order for them to say

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yes. And it feels yucky. And when we can combine that

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original energy of Oh, enthusiasm and excitement with

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an actual sales pro, like a sales process that works, and

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you don't have to get out of that energy in order to do it,

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then people will say yes, because you're both in alignment

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and you're you're helping them get the information that they

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need in order to make the buying decision.

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Well, I think part of the the disconnect comes

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though too, when we when we, when we're hungry, and when we,

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when we focus on that, you know, the limited beliefs and also on

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I need to make the sale. But if you go into the conversation

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completely curious and just trying to find out about people

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and not focusing on that, it makes it so much easier, right?

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And it's funny, because I tend to, well, I'll give you an

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example. I got a LinkedIn message this morning, and it had

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a photo in it of a card that I sent somebody, and she was

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saying, Thank you for it, and she was commenting on it for her

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audience about the value of sending a card, and there were a

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lot of comments on her post. She had a lot of activity happening

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and engagement. Now, I haven't done anything with it yet, but

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my first thought is, oh my goodness, these people are

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either interested in in sending cards, and maybe would be

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interested in my system that I use, right, whatever. But then I

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back off in my mind and I go, Yeah, but I can't sell them. I

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can't be pushy in the comments that I make. So I have to think

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about this before I do it. And, you know, so there's always this

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push and pull and sort of like, don't be salesy, be

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conversationalist and so on. So if, first, I think, is be aware

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of that, right? You must be aware of that. And second, then

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you must it must be a natural kind of thing that happens to

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make it work.

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Yes, because, I think, because, yeah, we do have

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to pay our bills and we have to eat. You know, there are things

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that we need. Did, there's things we need money to live. So

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I think it is easy to get back kind of flip flop and not be as

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focused on because really sales happen when you are genuine and

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you are serving and you are connecting from that really

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authentic place. But it is hard to get out. I mean, it's, it's

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hard to kind of stay in that all the time, like you're saying,

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you can flip back into, oh my gosh, I don't want to sell them

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and with the speaking space. So for me, I realized that sales is

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actually easy for me, one when I do it, one to many. So like,

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literally, I'm saying, create a party, because just for my

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personality, and I find for a lot of my clients as well, it

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just, it doesn't feel like sales when it's party. It doesn't feel

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like sales whenever you're teaching. And then it doesn't it

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takes the pressure off of this one person. I need this one

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person to say, yes, yeah, because there's 20 people,

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there's 100 people in the room, and some of these people want

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what I have, and I'm gonna talk to them, and then if they don't

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like if they don't like it, or they don't want it, they'll

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leave, and I'll just be sitting here with the people that do

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want it. And so for me, it opens up. It's just easier. And I find

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with my clients as well, it's just easier to think about it

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that way, that there's just the audience, but I think that can

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be applied when you have one on one conversations as well.

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I think so too. All right, so what exactly is

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the raw method, and how does it help speakers build trust with

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their audience from the stage?

Michele Vilseck: 00:11:38

Yes, so yeah. So I came up with a raw method,

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because I love speaking, but I know, and have you been to but

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you know, there's a lot of speakers out there. Okay, I'm

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gonna, I'm gonna be nice, but, you know, there's a lot of

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speakers out there. But I like to use the analogy of like Tiger

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Woods. And just because your grandpa's been golfing for 20

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years. Doesn't mean he's Tiger Woods. And so there's there's

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you, and there's your passion and your and your energy and how

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you speak to people in the story that you have. And then there's

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also skills that you can add on top of that that are going to

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take you to a new level, where, where you'll be able to really

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connect with people and be a master at speaking. And whenever

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I work with my clients, so many of them want to be on paid

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stages. They want to be on the big stages. They want to have

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their own conferences, and you have to be that next level

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speaker in order to do that, because nobody's going to want

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to invite you back if you're kind of mediocre speakers and

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but to be a good speaker doesn't mean okay, you have to do this

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that you know, just like I was having trouble whenever I became

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a coach. There's not one rote prescription of you have to do

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it this way, you have to get on Facebook, you have to do cards,

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you have to speak, right? There's not one way. It's going

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to be your way. And so the raw method is just really three

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principles that I came up with that can really apply to

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everyone, and honestly, they apply to speaking, but they also

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apply to relationships as well, to just really help you become

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your most authentic self on stage in a way that resonates

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with the audience the deepest. So to give you a quick example,

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I don't know if you've ever watched the voice, yes. So if

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for any audience members who are listening who don't know that

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voice is a show, kind of like America's Got Talent, or they

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used to have another, you know, American Idol. American Idol,

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yeah, so it's a singing competition. But I love watching

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it, because every single singer has a totally different voice,

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and then they have a totally different genre and a

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personality. And so people, there'll be rappers and country

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and folksy and, you know, heavy metal, they've got all kinds of

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people on there, but the one who wins is the one who is the most

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confident as themselves, right? The one who really finds who

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they are and becomes their most authentic self on stage, and

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then is is willing to open up and be confident as that version

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of themselves. And they also have skills, of course, but but

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like, that's the one that wins. It doesn't matter what genre

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they have or what how they do it, they're the winners. So a

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quick rundown of the raw. It's real. The R stands for real, so

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being authentically yourself, which we've talked about that a

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lot already in this conversation of you just people aren't going

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to resonate with you if you're off, if you're saying things

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that don't actually align with you and your values. And I kind

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of have sub things under here that I talk about in more

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detail, but it really comes down to, yeah. Yeah, your values. Are

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you in alignment with your values and your voice? You know,

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I recently started taking this DJ training, and you do a lot of

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em seeing and stuff. And the guy who's training me is this really

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tall black man with a very deep voice, and he has, like this

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romantic MC voice,

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that very white type voice.

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And so I was listening to him, but I was

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realizing

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this is you.

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His is like the soothing, you know, romantic

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vibe, really, and mine, as we know, is just like, it's more

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energetic, and I'm just happy, and it's party, and it's

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energetic and and it's not that, and it's not going back to the

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voice. It's not bad or good, but it's just, and if I try to be

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that, it's not gonna people. So that's the raw, um, audacious.

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The a is, is stands for audacious. And by that I mean

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courage having having courage to go places that people aren't

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willing to go and be with people and to sit with them in places

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that you wouldn't normally go as well. So for an example, I see

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speaker a lot of one of the biggest things that hold

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speakers back from really connecting with their audience,

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and this is true in relationships, is that

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vulnerability, right of being able to open up, and so they'll

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be telling their story, and it might be a really traumatic or

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it might be an incredible, amazing story, but I I like to

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say it's kind of like they're skipping across the water.

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They're just telling you about what happened, and it was so

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hard. And, you know, I was like, I was abused when I was a child,

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and it was so hard, and then I struggled for a long time with

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this. And then I, you know, but they're just giving the overall

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surface summary, surface level. And instead of going into that

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moment with you, because the point was you had real struggles

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and real emotions in those moments, right? And so when I

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was a health coach, I helped people stop over eating, because

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I struggled with that a lot. And I would on my events, I would

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take them back there to that place of at the end of the day,

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when you just ate that whole entire tub of ice cream, and

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you're sitting there on the kitchen floor hiding from your

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kids because you don't want them to know and you don't want them,

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right? You feel like you, you're ashamed and you don't want them

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to be like you, and you're sitting there and just feeling

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like a total piece of trash, promising yourself that you're

Michele Vilseck: 00:17:52

never gonna do it again. But you know that tomorrow, you're gonna

Michele Vilseck: 00:17:56

wake up and do the same thing, right? And so I could tell you

Michele Vilseck: 00:17:59

that story surface level and say, Oh yeah, every night I was

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:03

eating, or I can take you there, and we can feel the emotions

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:07

that were on the floor together, and you're feeling the shame of

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:12

trying to hide something from your kids, but just, you know,

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:15

all of that, it just that's where the connection really

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:18

happens, And the vulnerability and the trust is built by going

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:23

there, but you also feel safe there knowing that I know what's

Michele Vilseck: 00:18:27

going on, and then I'm going to bring it back out.

Janice Porter: 00:18:30

Yeah, that that is an art, for sure, to do that

Janice Porter: 00:18:33

and be able to do it well. But you know that when you do

Janice Porter: 00:18:36

something like that, you have the audience in the palm of your

Janice Porter: 00:18:40

hand. That's the beauty, you know, that takes me back to a

Janice Porter: 00:18:43

story, actually, that it's like, totally removed from what you

Janice Porter: 00:18:47

were talking about. But I remember this feeling, and it

Janice Porter: 00:18:51

was when I was teaching school, and I had, I think I was

Janice Porter: 00:18:55

teaching grade, third grade at the time, and I read the story

Janice Porter: 00:19:01

to them every day, the chapter book Charlie and the Chocolate

Janice Porter: 00:19:05

Factory. And I never liked that movie. I only loved the book.

Janice Porter: 00:19:10

And the reason I loved the book was because at the end of every

Janice Porter: 00:19:13

chapter, you had the audience begging for more, and reading

Janice Porter: 00:19:18

aloud was so much fun to kids, and you knew at the end of the

Janice Porter: 00:19:21

chapter, you didn't know what was going to happen to Veronica

Janice Porter: 00:19:24

salt, or Veruca Salt, I mean, or, or Augustus Gloop, and when

Janice Porter: 00:19:29

he got stuck in the pipe, sorry. And, and you had them, no, can't

Janice Porter: 00:19:38

tomorrow's another day. We'll do the next chapter, but you had

Janice Porter: 00:19:41

them begging for more, and that is such a powerful feeling when

Janice Porter: 00:19:44

you're speaking or reading aloud that it feels really good that

Janice Porter: 00:19:48

you got them to that place, right. And so, yeah, I don't

Janice Porter: 00:19:53

know that I've had that feeling as much when I'm speaking on

Janice Porter: 00:19:58

stage, because I'm more nervous. When I'm speaking on stage, but

Janice Porter: 00:20:02

I think if I've been doing a workshop or teaching a group of

Janice Porter: 00:20:06

people, then I'm in I felt more in control. Oh, my God, sorry.

Janice Porter: 00:20:13

And now I've lost my train of thought. Anyway. Okay, so

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:18

I have a response to that, because it

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:20

goes, it goes with the W, actually, and I, and it's kind

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:24

of hard to say, but the W is withness, yes, witness, but with

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:28

this. And it's actually a real word, I didn't realize, but

Janice Porter: 00:20:31

I'm also I didn't either, yeah,

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:34

but I'm always telling my people, you need to

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:37

be over there with them. You know you're not whenever you

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:41

talked about being, you know, I'm a little bit embarrassed

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:44

whenever I'm on stage, but when I'm in a workshop, I feel like

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:47

have more control. I think part of it also is because, you know,

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:52

for people who are nervous on stage, especially when it comes

Michele Vilseck: 00:20:56

to sales, too, you're pitching your products. All of that. It

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:02

comes from being over here with you instead of over there with

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:06

them. And what I mean by that is we're over here in our head. Oh

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:10

no, am I gonna say the wrong thing? Are they gonna like me?

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:14

Did I say that? Right? Did I said, um, too many times,

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:19

whatever people are counting there. But it's all about you.

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:22

It's all about you and your worries about what other people

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:25

are thinking or how you're doing, and so you're over here

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:30

with yourself and energetically, whenever we're over there with

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:35

them, they can tell so that's what I meant. Yeah, I can't hear

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:42

okay, so what you were saying, Janice, actually brings us to

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:46

withness, which is a real word. It's a real word, but I'm always

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:51

saying that whenever I'm talking to my speakers, I'm always

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:54

saying, be over there with them. Be with them. Don't be with you.

Michele Vilseck: 00:21:59

So whenever we're speaking, a lot of times we get nervous

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:03

because, but it's because we're with us,

Janice Porter: 00:22:06

right? Oh, that's so, yeah, perfect.

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:09

Perfect. Again, yes, yeah. So I'm over here

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:12

worried about, what am I going to say? What are they going to

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:15

think about me? How, you know, Did I, did I say? Um, too many

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:18

times. Are they going to buy all those things, and it's all about

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:22

you, and you're over here with you, and that's when you make

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:25

all the mistakes, because you're in your head right over there

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:29

with them. And I think that's why workshops feel better for

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:32

you. One of the reasons probably with them, you're engaging with

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:36

them, you're over there with them, and then there, and your

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:40

care is there. And whenever that happens, they can tell. And so

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:44

when you genuinely care about them and you're thinking about

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:47

them instead of you, they can tell. They can feel it. It comes

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:52

off in your languaging. And really, I remember recently

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:56

going to a conference and listening to this amazing woman.

Michele Vilseck: 00:22:59

She was like, hitting she had all the skills I was like,

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:01

checking them off, taking notes. She was amazing, and she had a

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:05

really powerful speech as well. But actually, my favorite

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:08

speaker of that night was not a good speaker, but what he was

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:13

good at was being with the audience, and you could tell

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:17

that he just cared about us so much, and he responded to the

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:21

audience. He didn't have his speech prepared very well, or he

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:24

didn't have a speech at all. Actually, he was just an expert,

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:27

and then he was there to teach off of the crowd, more like a

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:32

workshop would be. And I just value that so much. And your

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:36

audience values it so much because they can tell, yeah,

Michele Vilseck: 00:23:39

well,

Janice Porter: 00:23:40

it's funny. I remember, I don't know if I was

Janice Porter: 00:23:43

doing an on in person or online presentation, but somebody said

Janice Porter: 00:23:50

to me after I can sure tell that you love your granddaughter so

Janice Porter: 00:23:54

much, because you light up when you tell stories about her,

Janice Porter: 00:23:57

right? And it's true. And so when you feel comfortable and

Janice Porter: 00:24:01

you again, are sharing something that you're so passionate about,

Janice Porter: 00:24:05

it works. And you're most comfortable talking about too,

Janice Porter: 00:24:09

right? So yeah, so I noticed it most with that. So it's good,

Janice Porter: 00:24:14

it's really good. But you definitely hit the nail on the

Janice Porter: 00:24:17

head when you said, I like that word now witness, because you

Janice Porter: 00:24:21

need to be with them and not so focused on yourself. And that's

Janice Porter: 00:24:26

true to true to point. It's funny. My daughter called me

Janice Porter: 00:24:29

yesterday. She's doing a big presentation today as we speak,

Janice Porter: 00:24:33

and I'm thinking, good vibes for her, but she's an actress, and I

Janice Porter: 00:24:36

said, she said, I keep stumbling on this piece she read. She did

Janice Porter: 00:24:40

the intro for me and the and the wrap up. And I said, it's great,

Janice Porter: 00:24:45

Sarah. I said, You did amazing. She said, But I keep I said, you

Janice Porter: 00:24:48

know, when you get on stage, you'll be fine, because that's

Janice Porter: 00:24:51

when you shine, right? And she's your ad,

Michele Vilseck: 00:24:54

because you're thinking about them. And,

Janice Porter: 00:24:57

yeah, so it that's so cool. I. Um, I don't

Janice Porter: 00:25:00

know, though, in my in my later years, I don't remember things

Janice Porter: 00:25:05

as well as I used to, and so memorizing doesn't work for me.

Janice Porter: 00:25:09

And so I have to feel like I have to talk about something

Janice Porter: 00:25:13

uncomfortable talking about so I don't have to worry about that.

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:17

Yes, absolutely, yeah. And I've

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:19

worked with several people that have different styles, but I've

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:22

noticed that, you know, everyone does have different styles. I

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:28

had someone who would write every single thing out and

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:31

memorize it all, but and it and it works, because for some

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:35

people, they can also be present, even though they have

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:37

it memorized, but I'm with you. Sometimes I have it memorized,

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:40

and then it's almost like you're reading it in your head, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:43

you're trying not to mess up. And then you're again, you're

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:46

Oh, you're over here, and they can feel it. That's right,

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:50

instead of, okay, here's my outline. And so I teach my my

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:54

people, a framework. Here's the framework, here's the acronyms,

Michele Vilseck: 00:25:59

or, you know, here's your acronym, or here's the four

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:02

things that is part of your process, and then this is how

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:05

you're going to share it, so that they get, that people get

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:08

all the information that they need for a transformation. For

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:11

you, that's

Janice Porter: 00:26:12

good. That's really good. So how do you coach

Janice Porter: 00:26:15

athletes? We talked about athletes when we first met who?

Janice Porter: 00:26:18

Who athletes are used to performance, but maybe not

Janice Porter: 00:26:21

public. Speaking to speak. How do you get them to speak in a

Janice Porter: 00:26:24

way that feels authentic and natural? I'm pretty sure what

Janice Porter: 00:26:27

you're going to start by saying, but I'd like to hear from you.

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:31

They're actually so fun to work with

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:34

because they already have a lot of the they've already been

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:38

through a lot of the mindset stuff to get to where they're

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:41

at, and they understand how to calm their mind and how to have

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:46

a goal and how to show up and practice. And there's so many

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:51

amazing skills that they have that really translate over into

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:56

successful speaking and not to mention all of their stories and

Michele Vilseck: 00:26:59

their experiences that come with that journey. Yeah?

Janice Porter: 00:27:03

So stories. I can see them having, but I can also

Janice Porter: 00:27:06

see some of them being very introverted or shy,

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:10

yeah, yeah. Oh, absolutely. Some of them are,

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:13

yeah. And I think with introverts, that actually

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:19

happens a lot. You know what? I think a lot of great speakers

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:22

are introverts, because because of the raw principles, honestly,

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:27

because they listen better, because they don't talk as much,

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:31

and because they're used to being with people, they do tend

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:35

to be really amazing speakers, and so it's just about helping

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:40

them realize that and keep their focus in the right place. But

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:44

with speakers specifically, yeah, we just, I just teach

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:48

them. This is for everyone as well, though. To to go from

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:51

whatever you're doing to be a speaker, if you just understand

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:54

a few skills, then you suddenly go from being a mediocre speaker

Michele Vilseck: 00:27:58

to an amazing speaker. And with that, I think the structure is

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:04

very important. Like we talked about, people want to hear

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:08

things in a certain order that their brain understands them and

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:13

digestible. So I'll give you an example whenever people and this

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:19

is true of any speech, no matter what length it is. When people

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:23

hear you, the first thing they're thinking is, is this for

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:27

me? What's this going to do for me? Right? And so they're

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:31

looking of what's the topic, What's she talking about or he,

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:36

right? And so they really want to hear a story from you that

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:40

says, here's the transformation, right?

Janice Porter: 00:28:43

Because we're a transferee. Is that what you're

Janice Porter: 00:28:46

saying?

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:46

Yeah, usually it happens to you. It could be

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:48

any story, though, but they just want to. They need that. They

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:51

need the question answered. Yeah, is it for me? Does this

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:54

apply to me? Does this even apply to me? Do I even care

Michele Vilseck: 00:28:56

about this, right? And if they do. You know, with my story that

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:00

I shared earlier, I was overeating, right? So if I'm

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:03

sharing my overeating story and I take you down there, well I

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:06

call it the hell, like I take you to hell, right? If I take

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:09

you to hell with me, you know, I know. And if you're struggling

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:12

with that, you're like, wow, she gets me. She understands. And so

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:16

then if I tell you, Okay, I came back out now, you're like, Yes,

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:21

this is for me, because I am struggling with the same thing,

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:26

and I've had the same thoughts, and she's made it out. So now

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:29

I'm leaned in, and I want to hear more. So for whatever it is

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:32

that you help people with, right? You want to, you want to

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:35

answer that question so that they stick with you. And then

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:38

the next question that they have in their minds is, how? How do

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:42

you do that? Then, right? And so if you'd set it up until your

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:46

the transformation, and then you then you want to answer the how

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:50

of specifically, what did you do? And a lot of people in the

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:54

sales speaking space will say, don't share the how do you guys?

Michele Vilseck: 00:29:59

I. Have you ever heard that where they like don't share the

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:02

what don't or just tell them what don't tell them, because if

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:05

you tell them too many things, they're going to leave they're

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:07

not going to buy from you. But that's not entirely true,

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:11

because they're not going to buy from you if they don't know how,

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:15

they're not going to want to listen to you anymore, if,

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:18

because, if the reason they're looking at you and saying and

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:21

listening to you is because they haven't found the solution yet,

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:25

and so they're listening to see, have I tried this already, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:30

is it something that I want to try? Does it align with me?

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:33

Right? Because there's a lot of when I was going through my

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:36

health journey, I went plant based. But a lot of people don't

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:39

want to go plant based. They want to keep eating meat. So if

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:42

I'm going to tell people my How is plant based, a lot of them

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:46

are going to leave right go look for somebody else. So if they

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:49

want to know how, and then beyond that, the next question

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:53

you want to answer is, is it going to work for me? Which

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:56

there's a lot of other questions, depending on what

Michele Vilseck: 00:30:58

your what your topic is, but that would be the basic

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:02

structure. So that's the, that's the first thing I'd say that

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:04

separates you from an average speaker, is that you're able to

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:08

easily walk them through that experience.

Janice Porter: 00:31:11

And I guess you want to separate them. You want

Janice Porter: 00:31:14

the one, right? You want those that aren't your people to not

Janice Porter: 00:31:17

be around you. Want your people to be there. That's, that's

Janice Porter: 00:31:20

really all you're looking for, right? So it, I think it's worth

Janice Porter: 00:31:24

it to Yeah. And then the other piece that you just mentioned

Janice Porter: 00:31:27

about the how, yes, I think we all, not. We all. A lot of

Janice Porter: 00:31:32

people live in that fear that if you tell them how to do it, that

Janice Porter: 00:31:35

then they don't need you. I think they need you more once

Janice Porter: 00:31:40

they know and you they agree with your how, right? Right?

Janice Porter: 00:31:44

Then they want the support and the help and the hand holding

Janice Porter: 00:31:48

from you around

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:49

that. Well, yes. And there's always going to

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:51

be some people that want to do it on their own, and, of course,

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:54

and then on their own. Those aren't your people, that's

Michele Vilseck: 00:31:57

right, yeah, yeah. They're that. They're the I want to do it on

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:00

my own people, your people are are the people that say, I

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:03

really want someone to help me this, and I'm so tired of doing

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:06

it on my own, and now I've seen her process or his process, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:10

I'm aligning with it. And so yes, that's the person I want to

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:13

have help me.

Janice Porter: 00:32:14

So I think you probably answered my next couple

Janice Porter: 00:32:16

of questions in your experience, what turns a talk from

Janice Porter: 00:32:19

interesting into unforgettable and what's the secret sauce for

Janice Porter: 00:32:23

speaker, audience connection? So you have, in a way, but anything

Janice Porter: 00:32:28

else you want to add to that?

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:29

Yeah, I can elaborate a little bit more. So

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:31

I know we talked in general, yeah, be authentic. Be

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:34

vulnerable. Connect with people. But there are some specific

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:38

skill sets that you can learn to do that. One of them, obviously,

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:43

I've been using the whole time. One of my favorites is just

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:47

switching from it's using second person instead of first person.

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:53

It's as simple as that, yes. So instead of saying, and you pay

Michele Vilseck: 00:32:57

attention from now on, when you hear people tell their story,

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:00

they'll say I yeah, like I went to the store with my kids, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:05

then I bought groceries, and then we went in, and then I saw

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:09

my grandma, and she was so great, and I gave her a hug,

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:12

because I love her, and I right. And they're going right on and

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:16

on and on, and that's when it gets boring, because they're

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:20

over there with them, and you don't care about them, right?

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:24

Not yet for sure. Yeah, we as people don't care about other

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:27

people, unless it predict, unless it applies to us. Yeah,

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:31

in general, right? Whenever you love your granddaughter, you

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:34

don't care if she's talking about herself all the time, but

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:37

out there in the world, what's in it? For me, that's what

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:40

they're asking for, absolutely. And so whenever you make it

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:45

about them and you stop making it about you, that's when people

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:48

connect, right? And you'll notice, whenever I shared a lot

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:52

of my stories, I'm like, Yeah, you know when you start your

Michele Vilseck: 00:33:54

business and you're so excited about it, and you think that if

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:00

you just build it, they'll come but then you're, we're

Janice Porter: 00:34:03

sitting there nodding our heads, right,

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:05

right. And, you know, so I, I have a common I've

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:08

created a common experience or a common emotion, and I it's my

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:13

story that I'm telling you, but it's your story that I'm telling

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:16

you, right, right? And so I've pulled you in that way. So I, we

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:20

do an exercise with my speakers where I encourage them to not

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:28

say more than two sentences of I before they switch back to you.

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:33

And it's actually kind of, it takes some practice, but be

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:38

surprised how much, yeah, it's just a total different it draws

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:42

you in whenever, every time you hear you you because it's kind

Michele Vilseck: 00:34:46

of like hearing your name,

Janice Porter: 00:34:47

and you don't know you're doing it until

Janice Porter: 00:34:50

somebody points that out, actually, and then, yeah, then

Janice Porter: 00:34:53

you'll hear it all the time. What was I going to say? Oh, so

Janice Porter: 00:34:58

if you're on a stage. And I remember this from the last time

Janice Porter: 00:35:03

I was on a stage, which was quite a while ago, actually. And

Janice Porter: 00:35:06

I was quite nervous before I went out on stage. And it was

Janice Porter: 00:35:10

there were about, I don't know, a couple 1000 people there, and

Janice Porter: 00:35:14

they were some of the people I knew, and I could see some of

Janice Porter: 00:35:17

them in the front rows, right. And it was through me talking on

Janice Porter: 00:35:21

a stage at a Send Out Cards conference about LinkedIn as a

Janice Porter: 00:35:26

tool to use. And I knew my topic. I knew what I was talking

Janice Porter: 00:35:29

about, but there were some pretty, pretty professional

Janice Porter: 00:35:34

speakers on stage, before me and after me and stuff, and I was

Janice Porter: 00:35:37

like, the workshop person kind of thing. Anyway, I I do

Janice Porter: 00:35:41

remember for me, and I don't know, I'm curious to know what

Janice Porter: 00:35:45

what you do, but I need to make that connection with someone in

Janice Porter: 00:35:49

the audience. I'll actually call their name, or I'll say

Janice Porter: 00:35:52

something to give me that connection. Do you what do you

Janice Porter: 00:35:57

your What are your thoughts on that?

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:00

Yes, yeah. So I think a couple of things, I know

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:03

a lot of people say, Oh, I don't talk to anyone before I get on

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:06

because you're in the zone and you're trying to, you know, get

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:10

your mind straight, and you don't want to be taken off of or

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:13

have somebody say something bad or something like that. But

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:16

similarly, like most people, we are more responders than we are.

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:22

I don't know creators. I guess where, whenever we see someone

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:26

or having a conversation with someone, that lights us up and

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:29

we that's what conversations are all about, right? You say

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:32

something that reminds me about something, and then I'm going so

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:35

we're responding off of each other, right? So I do even

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:39

before getting on stage. I, you know, I like to know you want to

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:43

know who you're talking to and what are they going through and

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:46

having, whether that's the day of or before, just like, just

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:51

really knowing who is the audience and being able to

Michele Vilseck: 00:36:54

understand them better. I just recently went to an event, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:01

one of the speakers was a little bit all over the place, because

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:04

he ended up changing his speech at the last minute, because he's

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:06

like, I didn't know who was here. And then when I got here

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:09

and I realized who was here, I had to change everything. And he

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:12

was like, changing his slideshow a few minutes before, which is a

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:17

bit nerve wracking, so don't do that, you know. Ask who your

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:20

audience is ahead of time, so that you know who you're talking

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:23

to. But similarly, yes, there's, there's obviously also ways that

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:27

you can connect with them on stage, at calling them out, have

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:30

someone come do an example with you whenever, if you're big on

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:35

stage, and you call someone on stage, everybody's having that

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:38

experience, as though they're that person, and they feel

Michele Vilseck: 00:37:41

connected. So yeah, there's a lot of call and response, and

Janice Porter: 00:37:50

I already know storytelling fits into your

Janice Porter: 00:37:52

framework beautifully, and how powerful that can be in

Janice Porter: 00:37:55

relationship building. So for someone looking to step onto

Janice Porter: 00:37:59

more stages, what's one piece of advice you'd give them to start

Janice Porter: 00:38:02

connecting more powerfully, right now,

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:06

yes, okay, this is the one I always give. But

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:13

for most people, I'll challenge them to make 100 videos.

Unknown: 00:38:16

Whoa, okay, yes,

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:19

because it's really inaction. I'm gonna I'm

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:24

gonna get back to that here in just a second. But I have a

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:27

speaker group, and most there is a man in that group who is fair,

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:34

is severely disabled, and when you talk to him, it's honestly a

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:38

little bit hard to understand him because of just his muscle

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:43

issues and stuff, but he gets paid more as a speaker than 95%

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:48

of the people in my speaking group, because he takes action,

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:53

right? He reaches out to people. He's asking about getting on

Michele Vilseck: 00:38:57

stages. He's got his dream, and he's taking action on that

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:00

dream. And I realized the thing that keeps most speakers from

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:04

getting on stages and having more audiences and selling and

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:07

all the things that your speaker desires is just you taking

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:12

action. And a lot of times it's because, yeah, you don't know

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:18

your message, or you're not super confident it. So I don't

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:21

know. I think we're just waiting to be really good at speaking

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:23

before we go out there. Or again, you're thinking that if I

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:27

build it, they'll come, you know, if I just, if I just say,

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:30

I must be here, somehow someone's gonna know that I want

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:33

to speak. So I, I challenge people to make 100 videos for

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:37

several reasons, because it, it, it, it forces you to take

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:44

action. It helps you to be comfortable on camera because

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:48

you've done it so much. It's like Game Day tape. If we're

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:52

talking athletes, right, you get to watch the tape back. It gives

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:55

you a lot of repetition. You're able to share your story over

Michele Vilseck: 00:39:58

and over and over. Again and see yeah and practice, practice IU,

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:04

practice being vulnerable, practice having your attention

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:08

on them, with the witness. You get to practice all of these

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:11

things. And if you have the audacity to post those things

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:16

online, guess what, people are going to start seeing you and

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:20

noticing you, and they'll see if they resonate with your energy

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:23

and your message. And some of those will pop off, and some of

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:27

them won't. I know, you're a big LinkedIn fan, obviously. So

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:31

whenever I changed my LinkedIn profile, even when I updated my

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:35

LinkedIn profile, immediately, I had a client contact. You know,

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:39

I had a future client contact me, and we started a

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:43

conversation. And you know, so you being out there, taking

Michele Vilseck: 00:40:48

action is what made the difference.

Janice Porter: 00:40:51

Yeah, I think that's huge, actually, because I

Janice Porter: 00:40:53

hate being on video, yeah, and it's funny again, it comes back

Janice Porter: 00:40:58

to focusing on different the wrong thing versus the right

Janice Porter: 00:41:01

thing. I know, because even on here, I'm better on here, on

Janice Porter: 00:41:05

Zoom than I am on my phone, because there's better filters

Janice Porter: 00:41:08

here, like

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:09

you know right now, you are having to stare at

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:12

yourself. I know there is video.

Janice Porter: 00:41:15

Yeah, that's true, but it's okay. It's all

Janice Porter: 00:41:18

good. It's good, good practice. And we're going to say something

Janice Porter: 00:41:21

else. Go ahead.

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:22

Well actually, yeah, I was gonna say, for

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:23

anyone who feels bad about being on video, I watched my watch me

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:28

for the next few months, because I did 50. I just restarted this

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:32

100 videos challenge. I have a challenge. I can give you the

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:35

link in the chat, but I restarted mine, and I just did

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:41

15 videos in one day. I'm sitting in my mom's backyard

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:45

with my red t shirt. I don't even think I have makeup on, and

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:48

I did 15 videos, and it's gonna be my content for like, the next

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:51

two months. Fantastic. I like to do it raw. I mean, that's one of

Michele Vilseck: 00:41:56

the reasons I say it raw. Like, I like to do it raw because I

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:00

like to show people that you don't have to have it all

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:03

together. I want you to feel feel comfortable. You don't have

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:07

to look perfect for people to connect with you. Obviously,

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:11

there's professionalism and all that. Of course, just throw it

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:15

out there kind of half so

Janice Porter: 00:42:17

here's the thing I go to, okay, how, long are

Janice Porter: 00:42:20

these videos, and what are you talking about in these videos?

Janice Porter: 00:42:23

That's where I go. Right away. I want to know the

Unknown: 00:42:27

details, right? Yes, yeah, yes.

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:30

So actually, I created a quick mini like

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:33

packet. I have a challenge. Okay, all right,

Unknown: 00:42:37

videos, so if you are

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:39

interested, it's, I'm signature

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:42

stages.com/challenge I believe is the link. I will get

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:48

it. Oh, I can send it to you.

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:49

I'll send you the links, but I'll send you the links, but

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:52

whenever you join the challenge, then you get the videos that

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:56

tell you what do you post, and you get a spreadsheet on how you

Michele Vilseck: 00:42:59

can track it all, and some tips on speaking and things like

Michele Vilseck: 00:43:03

that. And then you troop and you can drop

Janice Porter: 00:43:05

them. I've done a 30 day challenge, but not 100

Janice Porter: 00:43:11

video challenge, so I'll have a look at it for Yeah, I think

Janice Porter: 00:43:15

that's a great place to wrap up, Michelle, because you've given

Janice Porter: 00:43:18

us a lot of great information and a lot of tips and tools

Janice Porter: 00:43:23

around speaking, and I love it, and I think my audience will

Janice Porter: 00:43:26

too. I think Michelle reminds us that the most powerful stages

Janice Porter: 00:43:30

aren't about performance, they're about presence, truth

Janice Porter: 00:43:33

and connection through her raw method that I think we

Janice Porter: 00:43:37

understand now, she's guiding speakers, coaches and

Janice Porter: 00:43:41

entrepreneurs to ditch the Polish polished scripts and

Janice Porter: 00:43:45

speak with realness, Audacity and witness whether you're an

Janice Porter: 00:43:49

athlete stepping into leadership, a coach with a

Janice Porter: 00:43:51

mission, or someone who wants to make a meaningful impact, this

Janice Porter: 00:43:55

conversation is your invitation to show up boldly, lead with

Janice Porter: 00:43:58

authenticity and build relationships that resonate long

Janice Porter: 00:44:02

after the applause fades, and I love it. I thank you for your

Janice Porter: 00:44:07

time. I thank you for your energy and for your wisdom. And

Janice Porter: 00:44:11

I encourage my audience to find Michelle on her website. Now I

Janice Porter: 00:44:16

know you have more than one. Where do you want people to go

Janice Porter: 00:44:18

signature stages

Michele Vilseck: 00:44:20

that one's fine. It'll forward you to buy

Michele Vilseck: 00:44:23

what's the other one? Go ahead. Have inspires. Inspire speaker,

Michele Vilseck: 00:44:26

network, Doc, yeah, I have several, yeah, you're

Janice Porter: 00:44:30

right, yeah. Well, you put whatever you want

Janice Porter: 00:44:32

in the show notes, and people can find you there. And I

Janice Porter: 00:44:35

encourage you to check out her 100 video challenge as well,

Janice Porter: 00:44:40

which we're going to put in the show notes and let us know if

Janice Porter: 00:44:43

you do it for sure, right? So thank you. Thank you for being

Janice Porter: 00:44:47

here and to my audience. Thank you so much for being loyal

Janice Porter: 00:44:51

listeners. And if you like what you hear, please leave a review.

Janice Porter: 00:44:55

They're always welcome, and remember to stay connected and

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be remembered. Right? I.